wow Leo, soo interesting and alyways well documented, thanks for all the effort.
are you available as an app for my smartphone ?
cephas/simon -> peter.
saul -> paul.
jesus -> christ.
wow Leo, soo interesting and alyways well documented, thanks for all the effort.
are you available as an app for my smartphone ?
for those who understand german:.
the german tv-channel pro7 broadcasted a program on wintesses last week, you can watch it still here:.
http://www.prosieben.at/tv/galileo/videos/clip/321351-zeugen-jehovas-1.3202746/.
For those who understand German:
The German TV-channel Pro7 broadcasted a program on Wintesses last week, you can watch it still here:
http://www.prosieben.at/tv/galileo/videos/clip/321351-zeugen-jehovas-1.3202746/
The report must have been partly made with approval of Bethel in Selters, since they filmed there and interviewed brothers as well.
The report seemed largely fair and correct.
However, they interviewed a brother from bethel, Wolfram Slupina, which i beleive is the official Bethel speaker for media and press.
What he said, was quite disturbing. The report tells about the magazines, being published without the name of the writers. Being asked, why this is the case, the Bethel speaker answered, that this is done on purpose, because the author is Jehovah himself through inspiration !!
What ? Either he said some nonsense, mind you, he is not just some brother, he is an official from Bethel !, or it is the new viewpoint of the Org, they pride themselves now as being inspired. Before they always used to say, the mags are not inspired and can be wrong too....
the second disturbance was, when at the end of the report, he was asked about disfellowshipping. His reply was, that contact to dfd persons is broken on religious level. A typical example of double talk, we all know, that no witness is even allowed to say a simple hello to a dfd person (except relatives with necessary family business) What a bunch of deceivers and lyers...
Anybody seen this programm too ??
this question is really for elders or ex-elders (or ministerial servants in the know).... did you find that some elders would tend to "white-wash" the true state of the congregation when they had their sit-down with the co every 6 months?.
did some elders feel pressure to hide certain things from a co for fear of being "removed" from the boe?.
(judging by the "fakeness" that some elders displayed during co visits, i have to wonder whether they were really worried about being removed for not seeking out inactives or encouraging more participation during the wt study, book study or fs...).
pretty well described so far.
Consider the CO like a mid-level manager that comes to check up on the local outlet, and you understand most actions of the elders before the visit.
From my own experience, what really troubles most of them , is the sheperding issue, in no hall I ever was, the elders never tolf the truth, which was almost always, that there is hardly a real shperding being done....
i have been on this site daily, almost from its beginning, since i left the jws in 2001, but i have been more of a reader than a poster, as you can see from my post count.
i know few here know me, although i know many of you through reading your posts.
maybe it is not right to ask for support, when i generally stay quietly in the background of this forum, but i want only to speak a human misery of the deepest kind.
sitting at work, reading this now, having tears in my eyes, soooo sorry......
lets's go!!.
.
suffocating.
guilty
what sacrifices do we make in.
everyday dress and conduct?.
and offer sacrifices of praise to him,.
hate those stupid pictures, they start to teach first graders here, never say directly, whats forbidden but make rules by pictures...
we also spent considerable time with the pictures, funny thing, i could precisely predict, which self-righteous Pharisees will comment on them ....awful...
a brother in my hall mentioned in a twist of scriptures how we can thank the faithful slave class for warning us in connection with blood transfusions since 1945, because now the medical field recognises the riscs and try to minimize the use of blood.. despite the fatcs, that this statement is ridicolous in so many ways, i d like to find information (outside the "apostate" realm) that proves, that even allowed fractions are involing the risc of getting hepatitis, aids etc.... that would completely refute such a notion.. thx in advance... .
A brother in my hall mentioned in a twist of scriptures how we can thank the faithful slave class for warning us in connection with blood transfusions since 1945, because now the medical field recognises the riscs and try to minimize the use of blood.
Despite the fatcs, that this statement is ridicolous in so many ways, I´d like to find information (outside the "apostate" realm) that proves, that even allowed fractions are involing the risc of getting hepatitis, aids etc...
That would completely refute such a notion.
thx in advance..
i now find it idiotic that i could ever beleive the bible to be the inspired word of god.....,throughout the bible "god"has only dealt with a few of his favoured spokespersons to deliver his messages to a minority populace.individuals at first,..... then, patriarchs,nomads,a small nation,ignoring all other nations that had sprung up.......,abandoning his chosen nation,sending his "son"to a small nation, only giving them his pearls of wisdom,much of what was not even recorded for prosperity and remember he never wrote a word,it was left up to other imperfect humans to record what he was supposed to have said,just a smidgen......,again ignoring the bulk of humankind keeping them in ignorance of his plan for universal salvation,leaving it all up to imperfect humans to spread this message of salvation, whom he has already condemned for their sinfullness and disobedience.i just find it so unbeleivable.
in the 6000 years of recorded history only a fraction of the earths population,maybe less than a third have ever heard of the god of the bible, or his so called plan to redeem humankind ,thats millions and millions of people.
( india,arabic,afghanistan,pakistan etc.etc.).
religion is the big excuse, people created for God not revealing himself.
this is a excellent video about the development complex neuro-circuits.
well worth watch all the way through.
i remember that along with the eye, synapses were often quoted as an example of irreducible complexity by jw's and other creationists, from 4:38 on this video there is a great explanation of why this is not so.
good video cantleave, enjoyed it
ever heard of this church ?.
example: http://rcg.org/articles/abcc.html.
very similar reasoning to jw,...
ever heard of this church ?
example: http://rcg.org/articles/abcc.html
very similar reasoning to JW,..