so last night my wife brought the situation up again and kept telling me how sorry i'm going to be for what i'm doing to our family.
i kept a mild attitude and tried to reason with her.. she refused!.
i went about it in the way that sweet baby cheezits recommended.
It is hard to leave a religion that has meant so much or is comfortable and feels safe. Look at how long Ray Franz remained even though he witnessed all the problems for himself. To expect our family members to get up and leave just on our word or that of others is to expect them to do what even Ray could not do after he was put out of Bethel.
Our friends and family need time.
human misery: the default setting in the universe.. .
we think "everything is okay" is the norm and it isn't.
not by a long shot.. .
I keep my nose in reality. The world is and has always been a mix of good and bad. The earth with its mountains and beaches and so much beauty are real. People who do good things for others and even give their life for others are real. So are those who seek to gain riches on the backs of others or who deceive in order to gain power etc. They are all real and are the way things are and have always been.
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you have peace!.
as you know i have, for many years now, related to you that i hear the voice of the fine shepherd, the holy one of israel and holy spirit, jaheshua mischajah.
over such years i have received many questions and comments, and engaged in various debates regarding the validity of that name.
Donuthole,
"Spiritual gifts are real but they are not for boasting or for self-promotion in some misguided, fleshly attempt to prove oneself to others. Jesus repeatedly refused to engage in such spectacle when the enemy and others tried to get him to prove himself. "
I agree.
The best and most important "gift" is the gift of love; Love for God, love for his Son, love for our fellow and love for our beautiful home, the earth. Love acts. It helps. It opens doors. It provides physical and spiritual food. It sacrifices. It lifts the injured and corrects the injurers. It glorifies God. It bows before the Son who is the image of the Father. Love promotes brotherly love among all and does not seek to lord itself over others.
I appreciated your post, thank you.
SA,
I wish you peace and beautiful days ahead in the ministry.
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you have peace!.
as you know i have, for many years now, related to you that i hear the voice of the fine shepherd, the holy one of israel and holy spirit, jaheshua mischajah.
over such years i have received many questions and comments, and engaged in various debates regarding the validity of that name.
SA,
"But you forget, there are many "gifts" of the spirit... including hearing/discerning spirits... which I "prove" to you, here, virtually every day."
How do you prove you are hearing spirits here?
"I have also cast out two demons... translated tongues... and recently, even been able to read... and minimally speak... a tongue that I previously had absolutely NO knowledge of. "
And all of these things you have done here on JWN? What proof do you have?
Suppose a new poster comes along on this forum and claims that he hears the Son of God and that only he, as the one who hears, knows how to pronounce the Son's name and that God's Son has told him you are wrong and you do not speak for God's Son. That would be an interesting thread would it not but in the end it would be all about you and him and not about the Christ.
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you have peace!.
as you know i have, for many years now, related to you that i hear the voice of the fine shepherd, the holy one of israel and holy spirit, jaheshua mischajah.
over such years i have received many questions and comments, and engaged in various debates regarding the validity of that name.
Hello SA,
I marvel at this thread. As JWs the Society drummed into our heads that those taking the lead in the Watchtower were led by God. For me it was first Knorr and Fred Franz then came the "new" Governing Body, the ones who claimed to teach us the "truth" as they were guided by God.
Now, SA, you claim to be guided by God's Son, similar to the Watchtower's claim of being the FDS. You write your messages from the Son of God on a discussion board they wrote theirs in magazine articles. You say, "Which, please forgive me for saying this, causes ME to have to QUESTION your profession of HAVING such an anointing!", the Watchtower for many years also wrote that those who were claiming to be of anointed but did not fit into the Watchtower's view of the anointed were likey very mistaken in their belief.
Have you become the new FDS? You will likely say, no, but in word you are claiming such. The problem of course is that neither the GB nor you can prove your anointing and appointment as Paul or Peter and the other early disciples were able to do. Taking the word of the Governing Body was a mistake. How can taking your word be any different?
We must follow God only, his Son only and our conscience only. Not man's and not yours.
I say this with respect, with no malice, only love for a fellow traveler in Christ.
just got this email from a jw with me on their fowarding list:.
phoenix signs of the times examiner"life saving blood transfusion?
"bill underwoodaugust 1, 2010 the associated press reported this week that there is growing concern about blood stored for transfusions.when we cut our finger, we see blood as a simple red liquid.
Sab,
LOL,
just got this email from a jw with me on their fowarding list:.
phoenix signs of the times examiner"life saving blood transfusion?
"bill underwoodaugust 1, 2010 the associated press reported this week that there is growing concern about blood stored for transfusions.when we cut our finger, we see blood as a simple red liquid.
Sab,
I did not say what you think I did.
just got this email from a jw with me on their fowarding list:.
phoenix signs of the times examiner"life saving blood transfusion?
"bill underwoodaugust 1, 2010 the associated press reported this week that there is growing concern about blood stored for transfusions.when we cut our finger, we see blood as a simple red liquid.
We have to think for ourselves. Just as we learned it was lunacy to follow the Governing Body in all things, including blood, it is also a mistake to believe that blood transfusions are without risk. We must read and read and then read again before ever again following what others say whether JWs or doctors or anyone else. Medicine changes.
well i thought there was one thing i could count on with my ex jw wife and that was she would not go back on her word.
to make a long story short, after we were separated and i signed off on the marriage, my ex gave me her word that she would not go after my pension.
well a few years later guess what?
Divorce is messy business and not knowing all the particulars I cannot judge between you and your wife. I wish you both peace.
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you have peace!.
i have a very sincere question to ask because of some recent comments i've received regarding postings on the board.
the subject is on my mind... and heart... because of two similar incidents that occurred in my life since my journey began, which i would like to relate to you.
Jesus left the unimportant unimportant. Whether someone uses the word "quarry" or "rock pit" is unimportant to the extreme.
