Is it possible for some one in Victoria to get a transcript of the procceddings and post them on a blog somewhere or as a downloadable file. My JW freinds are not going to belive some of the the things mentioned here with out seeing it in writting. No FDS slave class as a body of men, just a theoldgical arrangment. But there are some 10,000 JWs that claim to be of the FDS. The GB claim that only the are used and that they do not take any notice of the rest of the FDS so that would put the burden on the men that want to take the high possition of rulling over the rest.
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156Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank
by AndersonsInfo invictoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.
(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.
i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.
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Holy Spirit and Governing Body voting
by Think About It inhow in the world can a religious organization that claims to be god's true channel on earth and led my his holy spirit have a majority of it's gb members vote yes on something, but it not pass because 2/3's didn't vote yes?
why would these supposely "spirit annointed" leaders of the "only true religion" not all be lead by holy spirit to pass an important mandate or change?
in coc ray franz talks of jw life affecting voting not passing because although it was a majority, it wasn't 2/3's or a gb member was gone during the vote.
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Ben57
It has been some time since I have been here. Just thought I would drop in and see what was happening. This conversation took my eye.
As a JW I find that my view being a JW is quite different from most JWs. Personally I do believe that the God of the universe known by JWs as Jehovah is the most high sovereign of all the universe.
Most JWs seem to have this idea that the so called GB is "spirit directed" and that this is Gods "spirit directed" organisation. They seem to think that "spirit directed" means that Gods holy spirit in some way acts upon the GB and the organisation. That can not be so because that would mean that the GB is inspired and the organisation is inspired. NOT SO. The WT have never explained exactly what they mean by "spirit directed"
The word spirit means breath, or wind, so Gods holy spirit is in fact his holy breath. The Bible writers were inspired "literally God breathed" when they they wrote the Bible. The WT has NEVER claimed to be “inspired” as some suggest.
The only way that we can be "spirit directed" is by following the Bible its standards and teachings. The GB have, and are, making mistakes at this time one of them seems to be to be pride by lifting themselves up above all the others that claim to be of the "anointed" and by dominating Gods people to our harm. (No one knows who is or is not of the anointed. Individuals start taking the emblems for a reason only they can answer)
It frustrates me to see the cover-ups by the GB over some very sensitive matters but they are accountable to God as each one of us must work out our own salvation (Philippians 2:12-13 12 Consequently, my beloved ones, in the way that YOU have always obeyed, not during my presence only, but now much more readily during my absence, keep working out YOUR own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for God is the one that, for the sake of [his] good pleasure, is acting within YOU in order for YOU both to will and to act.) No organisation or person can save us. BUT we must belong to Gods people. The question we must ask is who is teaching the basic Bible truths of what God wants for mankind, the relationship between God and Jesus (father & son Not trinity) no hell, no immortal soul, as a group - keep separate from the world, as a group - known for their Christian morals, as a group - stay out of all politics. Just because some in high positions of responsibility do the wrong thing does not mean the whole group is wrong. Even Peter made mistakes by denying Jesus then later divided a congregation, along national lines
Many JWs as well as non JWs are under the impression that the GB (in its different forms) have made false prophecies. UTTERLY UNTRUE . What they have offered are explanations of previously written prophecies that are at time very unclear to decipher.
I am also a very different JW to most. I was baptised in 1974. I am not even counted as a JW in my congregation because I have not put a field service report in for about 10 years. However they still let me answer and I give number 4 talks in the school.
What I see as the biggest problem in the congregations is that there is far to much emphasis on the various "field ministry" aspects. This aspect of our ministry IS important but it needs to be bal lanced with the rest of our ministry the looking after of the widows and orphans and the unwell in the congregations. The need for family togetherness as physical families and as a group. To many JWs find themselves left alone when they are in times of need because the "field ministry" is more important. The Bible has actually had something to say about this Matthew 24:12 . . .and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. " The WT applies that to the world and that might be so, but it surely seems to apply to the what is happening in the congregations, I would say, due to the leadership not doing their job properly
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Need help opening New Elders manual
by Ben57 ini found the new shepared the flock of god elders manual and downloaded it.
i found it on a "pirate" something web site.
i have spent about 8 hours trying to find a program that will open it.
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Ben57
What site did you get your copy from. the one I downloaded is not a pdf file.
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Need help opening New Elders manual
by Ben57 ini found the new shepared the flock of god elders manual and downloaded it.
i found it on a "pirate" something web site.
i have spent about 8 hours trying to find a program that will open it.
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Ben57
I found the new Shepared the flock of God elders manual and downloaded it. I found it on a "pirate" something web site. I have spent about 8 hours trying to find a program that will open it. It is a Torrent type file, and I have downloaded a couple of different Bittorrent programs but can not open it. Does anyone know how or why probram to use to open it.
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Need help opening New Elders manual
by Ben57 ini found the new shepared the flock of god elders manual and downloaded it.
i found it on a "pirate" something web site.
i have spent about 8 hours trying to find a program that will open it.
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Ben57
I found the new Shepared the flock of God elders manual and downloaded it. I found it on a "pirate" something web site. I have spent about 8 hours trying to find a program that will open it. It is a Torrent type file, and I have downloaded a couple of different Bittorrent programs but can not open it. Does anyone know how or why probram to use to open it.
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Need help opening New Elders manual
by Ben57 ini found the new shepared the flock of god elders manual and downloaded it.
i found it on a "pirate" something web site.
i have spent about 8 hours trying to find a program that will open it.
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Ben57
I found the new Shepared the flock of God elders manual and downloaded it. I found it on a "pirate" something web site. I have spent about 8 hours trying to find a program that will open it. It is a Torrent type file, and I have downloaded a couple of different Bittorrent programs but can not open it. Does anyone know how or why probram to use to open it.
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You will no longer be disfellowshipped for associating with a disfellowshipped person.
by shepherd in"if members of the congregation are known to.
have undue association with disfellowshipped.
or disassociated relatil'es who are not in the.
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Ben57
Thanks baltar447
I found the file and down loaded it. How do I open it?
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You will no longer be disfellowshipped for associating with a disfellowshipped person.
by shepherd in"if members of the congregation are known to.
have undue association with disfellowshipped.
or disassociated relatil'es who are not in the.
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Ben57
Shepard,
Are you able to scan the book and post it as a file some where for us lowly unprivilaged ones?
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How many of you have tried "Vegemite"????? Whatdoya think?
by Witness 007 ina black aussie spread that is made from yeast and has a very strange yet nice flavour.
hard to discribe....alittle salty and bitter.....tried it?.
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Ben57
First time vegimite eaters should spread it very lightly on toast well buttered. If you do not the salt tast is too much. I pile it on now just like any other spread.
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why did all the jws hate cliff richard so much?
by looloo ini couldnt understand why they hated him so much and they all seemed to hate him !
i hope hank marvin got on with him as i heard he was a jw elder ..
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Ben57
I do not know any JW that hates Cliff Richard unless they just do not like his music.
Last night I took my whole family (6 of us) to the Cliff and the Shadows 50 th aniversary tour. The night before another family from my congregation went as well and I know several others did.
Hank Marvine is a JW. However he does not do much in the way of the house to house ministry becasue most peopke according to his think it is a jock TV show and do not take it seriously when he knocks on thier door. See the following linmk where this is reported
http://barneteye.blogspot.com/2009/09/hank-marvin-false-dots-and-candid.html