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  Richard Carrier debunks Christianity using Science and History.

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  Sbf: help me out, didnt you say what was true was what people agreed were true?

  do you mean that the word true has no meaning on rorty Island?
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  Richard Carrier debunks Christianity using Science and History.

  by Island Man in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez2kgjk4jo4

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  bohm

  By "Rorty island" btw. I mean a place where everyone has agreed to act according to the maxims of Rortys philosophy as you understand it.
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  Richard Carrier debunks Christianity using Science and History.

  by Island Man in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez2kgjk4jo4

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  SBF: I will get to my point in a moment, first I want to understand your view on the matter.

  On Rorty island, how *ought* people find out what is true? For instance in a trial?

  Or is there no *ought*? i.e. is it all relative and any method is equally valid?
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  Richard Carrier debunks Christianity using Science and History.

  by Island Man in

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  2. beliefs

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez2kgjk4jo4

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  bohm

  Will check link later
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  Richard Carrier debunks Christianity using Science and History.

  by Island Man in

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  2. beliefs

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez2kgjk4jo4

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  Sbf: okay so that might be the psychology of why they believe something, i am interested in why they ought believe something on your view.

  is that also common interest and if so how do they determine what is their common interest?
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  What's in the secret rooms beneath Chelmsford:

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  the basement.

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  The basement.
  
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  Richard Carrier debunks Christianity using Science and History.

  by Island Man in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez2kgjk4jo4

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  bohm

  Let me try to make the distinction very clear:

  If we ask simply as a matter of definition, "what things are true on Rorty island?", and the answer is: "those things that people agrees upon are true for them", I think there might be a chance of some circularity but I don't really find that all too disagreeable as a working definition.

  The central issue is how they figure out what is true on Rorty island or rather, how they ought to find out what is true.

  For instance you could say: "They have decided as a matter of practice to hold courts where evidence is brought before the jury and then the jury goes to a room and decide what is true", then I think this is evidentialism in a poor disguise.

  If on the other hand you answer that there can be no "how they ought to find out what is true" on Rorty island because this is too much like evidentialism, then whatever practice is held before or during a trial on Rorty island is arbitrary, so is it just as rational (or irrational) to hold proper trials, present evidence which is real (as opposed to fabricated), etc.

  I don't think Rorty holds that view but I don't know..
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  Richard Carrier debunks Christianity using Science and History.

  by Island Man in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez2kgjk4jo4

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  Would they just gather up a jury and asked them:

  "This man is accused of a crime. Go to a room and make up your mind if he did it or not. Then it becomes true for us"

  or would he *perhaps* fall back to some sort of evidentialism where evidence played a role?
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  Richard Carrier debunks Christianity using Science and History.

  by Island Man in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez2kgjk4jo4

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  SBF: But the reason community agrees is because the community define truth by some sort of common-sense agreement to what has happened in the real world so I do not think it is reasonable to draw to much on what the community says. I am talking about how Rorty establishes what is true in his world-view, if we are on Rorty island, how would the police go about solving a crime for instance?
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  Richard Carrier debunks Christianity using Science and History.

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  SBF: Useful to who?

  So if it is useful to me that you owe me a million, and it is useful to you that you don't, is that really all that can be said on the matter in your mind?