Posts by bohm

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

bohm

Can we then say that ISIS are more Islamic than Maajid Nawaz?

Yes/maybe and no/maybe. Look at the dictionary definition of Islamic:

1.
the religious faith of Muslims, based on the words and religious system founded by the prophet Muhammad and taught by the Koran, the basic principle of which is absolute submission to a unique and personal god, Allah.
2.
the whole body of Muslim believers, their civilization, and the countries in which theirs is the dominant religion.

I think the answer is yes/maybe according to the first definition, maybe/no according to the second. And we can parse this endlessly in a tiresome religious debate, for instance we can debate if a person can fully submit to allah if he does what the head of the islamic state does and bla bla bla. At the end of the day we get to the problem that all of it is 100% made up bullshit and trying to accuse someone of making something up is moot. Compare to the various attempts to even define "true Christianity".

I digress. I don't think this answers what it means to be a "good Muslim"

I have no IPhone. Please just answer the question. Thank you.

Are you really unaware what Islamic State tries to accomplish or is this some kind of rhetoric device I don't get?

If you are not aware of what the Islamic state tries to accomplish I will really recommend you to read the wikipedia page.

If you are aware and this is some kind of silly rhetorical device perhaps we can just skip it?

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

bohm

what cause/belief is ISIS committed to?

Try this if you have an IPhone. Press and hold the home button. Then say with a clear voice to your phone:

Search the web for ISIS wikipedia

(hint: consider what "ISIS" is an acronym for)

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

bohm

This means that he's not devout. ISIS kills Muslims and infidels for insulting the prophet. This means that they're very devout.

Well, I think that was what I wrote...

'Good' and 'bad' Muslims are highly subjective terms that muddy the waters.

Okay, great. I was discussing Simons use of the term "good Muslim". If you don't think we can define it, I suggest you take it up with him.

we're not discussing Christians, we're discussing Muslims.

???

Because they westboro baptist church are an inconvenient example we should not talk about them? lol. Sorry, but I am looking for consistency in my beliefs so I will have to keep them in mind as an example of very devout christians who I don't think are good christians...

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

bohm

LUHE: whom do you believe to be more devout? ISIS or Maajid Nawaz?

Devout? As in "totally committed to a cause or belief"? ISIS for sure.

Notice this is an "is"-claim: Who is more committed.

Westboro Baptist Church are likely amongst the most devout Christians. I don't think that makes them good Christians, which is what we are discussing.

(Bear in mind that Nawaz received death threats for putting an image of Muhammad on his FB page; ISIS carry out Sharia punishments.)

Bear in mind I had bananas and a protein shake for lunch. Just something random to bear in mind.

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

bohm

Simon: I believe ISIS are Muslim, of course!. I also believe that e.g. Maajid Nawaz is a Muslim.

What I object to is the view that we should think ISIS is what it means exclusively to be a "Good Muslim" (or more specifically, that it means you should rape and butcher). I don't bear the burden of proof to establish that claim. If it turns out that none of us know what it means to be a "good Muslim" you will still not be correct.

You've been given the opportunity to explain why you believe that is not the case, So far you have refused to even try

Well I believe I have but here goes again:

1) I believe Maajid Nawaz is a Muslim
2) Maajid Nawaz does not rape and butcher, or believe anyone should
3) I got no grounds to make the judgment Maajid Nawaz is not a "good Muslim" whereas ISIS is which is not begging the question. I don't know if anyone can.

I would challenge you in return to first make it clear if you believe "good Muslim" is an "ought"-claim and then secondly, outline your argument for how that particular ought is derived.

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

bohm

SBF: Don't forget the definition of a good Muslim on page 2:

"to be a good Muslim you have to be a butcher and a rapist".

Actually, if you start from that assumption/definition/idea I kind of get a lot of the points made on this thread.

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

bohm

SBF: What, are you now accusing the fine publication of Breitbart of not being completely honest in it's reporting?

I am sure if any mistake was made by this powerhouse of journalistic integrity it was completely unrelated to the Muslimness of Khan...

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

bohm

Well, here we go, M103. Actually I don't understand why it is a slippery slope, and you have provided no reasons to believe the media is lying.

FYI, it is a motion, not a law. It does not make criticism of Islam illegal because it can't... why do we need all this fearmongering?

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

bohm

Well, that's what I wrote: According to you, Muslims should protest the terror attack in London because they terrorist was killed. but the attack in Canada does not need to be protected because the terrorist was captured.

Your seeming insensitivity to the victims and their families may be illuminating.

Why don't you just accuse me of beating puppies while you are in the business of random, unfounded accusations

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

bohm

LUHE: So if Khalid Masood had been captured Muslims would not have to protest (similar to how the MAGAs don't have to protest the Quebec shooting) , but now that he was shot dead he somehow got off too lightly and therefore Muslims should?

And the reason we are discussing protests at all is because he was advancing religious ends and not political, like the IRA did, nevermind the "state" bit in "Islamic State". To summarize this logic: What the IRA did was a political struggle motivated by religious differences and what Islamic state does is a religious struggle with a major political component. Notice the order.

Man this is confusing. Someone should print a brochure.

Ps.

I am happy that you successfully googled a word you did not understand. You can actually google many things.