freemindfade: I don't see him any more volatile than modern leftists though lol.
So you are saying that far-left SJW type leftist crybabies are ridiculous... and Trump is just about as ridiculous as they are...
I guess I agree with that ;-).
to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
freemindfade: I don't see him any more volatile than modern leftists though lol.
So you are saying that far-left SJW type leftist crybabies are ridiculous... and Trump is just about as ridiculous as they are...
I guess I agree with that ;-).
to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
Simon: I am really not that biased ;-). Clinton was subject to FBI investigations, and I actually think it was a good thing she got investigated considering what was at stake (I just think the reporting of her investigations were disproportional with what was found). Now Trump and the people around him are being investigated which I also think is a good thing. I don't assume guilt in the case of Trump and I don't think it is proven yet.
I don't think this will be a multi-year thing so we will have to see what comes to light in the coming months, then I guess we can see if the alt or MSM was more accurate.
to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
Minimus: I wouldn't call the Russian thing fake just yet. New things are coming to light every day and Trump is the subject of 3 separate FBI probes. Just today alone two very interesting interviews surfaced and another(!!!) person connected to the Steele Dossier died.
I am withholding judgment, but many of the things I read a month ago and wondered if they were crackpottery or not are now in the mainstream media being confirmed.
to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
JW_rogue: I am not sure I am following you... Wikileaks is part of the Russian disinformation campaign. Russia bankrolled Assange ca. 2012 with a deal on RT today and since then he haven't said a peep against Russia, whereas various "leaks" (FSB cyberoperations) have made their way onto wikileaks.
I am not sure I understand the Obama/zuckerberg angle... I know they visited China, but what does that have to do with the Russian campaign?
to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
JW_rogue: According to mainstream sources, the Russian troll-network encompass about 1000 full-time trolls, a pro-kremlin propaganda channel (RT today) and wikileaks; I would invite you to read the CIA/FBI/NSA report for details. It is difficult to compute the effect of that kind of media coverage but I believe that according to internal GOP models the last "email" scandal was what gave Trump the win and the emails were certainly an integral part of the disinformation campaign (keep in mind Assange/wikileaks is compromised).
We can't know what effect it had for certain, I agree, but that it had some effect seems obvious to me. I don't think Putin would have risked it if he believed it was pointless.
this you will never see on the mainstream media.
before you comment watch the whole video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.
some still associate it as an "oppressed group" and that means they are "good"
I don't want you to call out anyone in particular, but I would honestly be interested in a link in a PM to someone who says so on this forum because I can't recall seeing that view... I might have missed something.
this you will never see on the mainstream media.
before you comment watch the whole video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.
freemindfade:
We have no trouble criticizing JWS for fostering a protection of pedophiles, why can't we criticize Islam for its protection of extremists?
TBH, I think we all do that...
I actually figured that "Extremist Islam = bad" was a settled issue by now on this forum and you had to wake up failed reported Glenn Greenwald or Reza Aslan, Pee huh Deeh to get a honest moral equivalence these days.
Anyone who thinks the Islamic texts, taken literally, represents a good set of ideas can feel free to contradict me.
this you will never see on the mainstream media.
before you comment watch the whole video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.
freemindfade: I have tried to make exactly that distinction (a moderate Muslim vs. an Islamist, moderate Islam vs. Islamism) for a week on this forum and I get called a left-winger every time; be careful!
One thing worth mentioning is that Iraq was relatively secular in the early Saddam years and (in my experience) Iraqis are not likely to be hardcore Islamists. I don't have any numbers on this though.
this you will never see on the mainstream media.
before you comment watch the whole video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.
freemindfade:
Well, Syria is a warzone... if I lived in Syria my first priority would be to get the hell out of there.
I agree (strict adherence) to Islam is detrimental to integration in society and this likely explains some of the difference in outcome between how different groups integrate. But with that said, it is important to recognize there is a difference in what kind of Islam they adhere to and their cultural background. In my experience, Iranians and Iraqis have it easier while Moroccans are tougher customers. I too have seen the problems of integration on first hand, but I also have experience with Muslims who are regular, hard working people.
This:
but the reality that people who hold on to Islam as a religion, PLUS as a political, life permitting ideology to cult-like levels, are not going to have peaceful integration
I completely agree with. Islam as it is practiced in e.g. Saudi Arabia is not compatible with western values at all.
You know I had to be a pain in the ass so I went to read the original news article in Sweden about the asylum seekers and jobs. In the nordic countries, you need a work permit to get a job (remember that everything is much more formally organized in the nordic countries with regards to jobs and benefits), and apparently they are very far behind in issuing work permits for asylum seekers.
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/162-000-kom-till-sverige-500-fick-jobb
to me they have an agenda and they really don't care about professional journalism.
most are untrustworthy and that's a shame.
JW_Rogue:
The report I am referring to is the (declassified) US cyber security review of the Russian influence on the US election in 2016. I believe it is the (classified) version of that document that Obama was basing his information on. How does that fit into the theory?
The Russian cyberinfluence in European/Western politics/internal matters goes back to around mid 00's, with Ukraine and Germany being influenced the most. The misinformation campaign surrounding MH17 is an interesting case. This website is perhaps of interest:
I think if the Chinese are behind it, an important question to ask is why they are doing their best to further Russian goals :-).