Godrtulz - Why don't you admit (like the Catholics on this subject) you have no answers. Only your "you just gotta believe" ideas. I ask you direct questions and you refuse to answer them. That shows your ignorance of the subject and unwillingness to have an honest discussion. I pitty you now.
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Jesus Is Jehovah/Jehovah Is Jesus
by snowbird inhttp://www.str.org/site/news2?page=newsarticle&id=5725.
i fought against this with all my wts-trained power, but truth prevailed.. any way you cut it, it comes out the same.. peace and strength in your search.. sylvia.
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Jesus Is Jehovah/Jehovah Is Jesus
by snowbird inhttp://www.str.org/site/news2?page=newsarticle&id=5725.
i fought against this with all my wts-trained power, but truth prevailed.. any way you cut it, it comes out the same.. peace and strength in your search.. sylvia.
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I still love this topic.
Godrulz said - "Lord, Son of God=God. To be Son of God is to share the nature of the Father in full equality. It is not a created son nor like physical, human relations. see Jn. 1:1; Jn. 5:18; Jn. 10:30-33; Heb. 1" -
"In the Beginning" means the beginning of creation - the Christ - the only begotten Son of God - There is no such thing as "In the Beginning" when it comes to God the Father. I agree that a Son of God is equal in every way except for Eternity and Position to God. I feel it makes NO sense to call someone YOUR SON and then say you are the same age. I do not believe GOD is so clumsy and ignorant of humans to think we could understand it differently. Therefore I believe every word the bible says - that Jesus was GIVEN a name above all others upon his resurrection. Therefore he NOW is to be worshipped. He now can fill roles reserved for Jehovah in the old testament. None of these ideas are contradictory to a created, but equal in power SON OF GOD.
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My fathers day -as a father
by Glander ini am a very fortunate father.
5 children, 3 girls and 2 boys.. this is the personal note written inside the card from my youngest daughter, who just became a mother last july.. "things i love about you, dad.... i love that you always make me laugh and you're never too grown up to be silly.... i love that you never talked down to me and always made me feel smart.... most of all, i love that i get tp share you with my daughter and watch you make her giggle like you always did with me.. i love you, dad.. ---".
forgive me this indulgence but i am a little emotional this eveing after talking to all my adult children today..
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I got my first Father's day present yesterday. From my Mother-in-law. She eralized what I did for my kids (step-kids) and thought In should have something. For some reason my JW kids won't celebrate Father's Day. There is nothing Pagan about it and nothing in our literature that even suggests it might be wrong, but WTF......
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Jesus Is Jehovah/Jehovah Is Jesus
by snowbird inhttp://www.str.org/site/news2?page=newsarticle&id=5725.
i fought against this with all my wts-trained power, but truth prevailed.. any way you cut it, it comes out the same.. peace and strength in your search.. sylvia.
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It was adifferent post, but basically - Father and son are equal in power (omnipotent). However Father = lifegiver. Therefore the Father created the Son to be his SON. That is every bit his nature, but not the SAME in eternity or position.I have a son who is 4" taller than me and whoop my a$$, but I am still the Father. He respects my position. We are the same nature (DNA) but we are not he same person. My father and I are the same nature but he was born in 1940 I was born..... much later, but we are still Father/Son the Same Nature - just as Yaweh and Yeshua.
As an example of the relationship - A king that has a son who is well qualified to be king. You appoint him to be Co-ruler. You trust him implicitly. NEVER is a Father/Son relationship interpreted as you are the SAME person. The Father is Lifegiver to the Son that is the Only the relationship can be interpreted. Anything else is silly.
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Jesus Is Jehovah/Jehovah Is Jesus
by snowbird inhttp://www.str.org/site/news2?page=newsarticle&id=5725.
i fought against this with all my wts-trained power, but truth prevailed.. any way you cut it, it comes out the same.. peace and strength in your search.. sylvia.
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Godrulz - Waiting for 1 scripture...... you know my view on Father and Son...
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Jesus Is Jehovah/Jehovah Is Jesus
by snowbird inhttp://www.str.org/site/news2?page=newsarticle&id=5725.
i fought against this with all my wts-trained power, but truth prevailed.. any way you cut it, it comes out the same.. peace and strength in your search.. sylvia.
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Godrulz. - I am neither ignorant of church dogma or history - I just think it is ridiculous. The fact that the "Bible" is a more recent invention than you will admit shows your ignorancw of history. I believe EVERYTHING in your Church History and Dogma is as stupid as the Russell/Rutherford/Knorr silliness of the JWs. You are a Blasphemous heretic by the same criteria that ARIUS was. I believe what Jesus said about his nature. Not you say about it.
Again - Please show me one scripture that disagrees with my view of Father and Son.......
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Jesus Is Jehovah/Jehovah Is Jesus
by snowbird inhttp://www.str.org/site/news2?page=newsarticle&id=5725.
i fought against this with all my wts-trained power, but truth prevailed.. any way you cut it, it comes out the same.. peace and strength in your search.. sylvia.
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That would be the scriptures that were put together for the first time by ....... (wait for it) ..... Trinitarians in 397AD. No list of books of the Bible as we use them today existed before that. Marcion taught us that you can make the Bible say whatever you want when you get to pick the books and the version of the books with whatever changed language and redacted phrases you want. The history of traditional Church teaching is a history of arrogance and stomping anyone with different views. (Gnostics, Arians, Montanists, etc...) The Church that WON is no more authentic than Mike Tyson.
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70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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Probably been discussed again, but it is nice to see comments from any neew posters.
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You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him
by jean-luc picard inyou also must be ready, because the son of man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
( luke 12:40. new international version).
so logically, if jws expect him soooooon, thats proof that he's not coming soon..
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I was never going to graduate High School either..... Class of '93 by the way.
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New Here.
by BoleynGirl inso i'll start at the beginning.
then she gave birth to me, and realised that life was a miracle.
she began searching for god.
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Congrats for being free and Welcome. Catholics are less of a lifestyle control group, but be careful of your children learning thier ideas of sexuality and sin. My wife has not been a Catholic for 17 years but she still has guilt because we have sex without trying to get pregnant.... BTW all our kids are grown and out of the house. Just an FYI.