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  Disowning the God of the OT is not an Option

  by cofty in

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  it's to their credit that many modern christians prefer the jesus of the gospels to the god of the old testament.. ot god is an embarrassment.

  i am not going to list his multitude of moral crimes here but my personal favourite is his brilliant idea that a girl who is raped must marry her rapist.

  it's not his biggest crime but it demonstrates a disregard for human feelings that is beyond the comprehension of every moral person.

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  Heaven

  The Hebrews and Christians have very different ideas about God. The Hebrews believed God to be all things, both good and bad. They believed that bad things happened when you did not obey the one true God, Yahweh. And he needed appeasing... lots of appeasing.
  

  But the 'Hebrew Bible' doesn't read very well if you want to call Yahweh our 'father' and 'loving'. The logic of his actions doesn't flow.
  

  Logic and reasoning debunk the moral ideals of Yahweh, as well as all religious dogma and doctrine that has sprung up out of interpreting holy foundational materials such as the Bible and Qu'ran that are not accurate accounts of history or the natural world, and which are largely based on myth.

  You have to abandon these disciplines to make any sense of the holy realm.
  
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  What I Learned Today

  by OneFingerSalute in

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  just thought i would share what i learned today sitting for several miserable hours at the circus assembly.. while i took "notes" i just cannot stand trying to type out all the details.

  so suffice it to say the entire program can be covered with these few observations.. do more!

  give more!

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  Of course the normal whines about showing self-sacrifice and contribute to the substantial expenses of this wonderful assembly provided by "the slave".

  Perhaps the constant influx of court cases are starting to affect their financial situation.

  The double down on disfellowshipping is really a noodle scratcher for me. I'm just not certain what it is really accomplishing.

  It's a fear tactic to keep people in line. But it has long term negative effects that I think ultimately harm the group as a whole. If outsiders know about it, they won't want to join. So I get where you're coming from pa2. Alas, their mentality is still living in the 1st century.
  
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  Oppressive wolves will enter the flock....

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. friends

  ok, so i politely let an elder in our cong know how i felt about the gossip and slander that has been levelled at me.. he has been pushing to find out how i feel about the events of the last few months.. i calmly replied: .

  "well, i know that it was foretold that oppressive wolves would enter the flock and treat many harshly.

  i stood up to such harshness against many in our cong, then i was turned on and had accusations levelled against me!

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  Heaven

  I always like it when one can use Botchtower's own words against them.
  
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  Bye bye Gromit . .

  by nicolaou in

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  2. friends

  loyal pooch protected my identity for more than a decade, time for a rest old pal.. yep, that's the real me in my new avatar all stubbly and snoozing in the afternoon sun.

  call me nic' or call me mike, it's all good.

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  Snoozing in the sun... one of my fave pastimes.
  
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  Who REALLY believed in the idea of living forever on earth??

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  seriously.....even when you were 100% in "the truth", did you really believe in living forever?

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  Of course I did. Children believe everything their parents tell them.

  I also believed in the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and Santa Claus. When I was a child my Mom was getting involved with the JWs, but my Dad was not. We did actually celebrate Easter, Hallowe'en and Christmas when I was younger.
  

  But then I grew up and realized a lot of my childhood was full of fantasy.
  
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  Bye bye Gromit . .

  by nicolaou in

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  loyal pooch protected my identity for more than a decade, time for a rest old pal.. yep, that's the real me in my new avatar all stubbly and snoozing in the afternoon sun.

  call me nic' or call me mike, it's all good.

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  Heaven

  Although I do love Gromit, your new Avatar is very good as well.
  
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  Bye bye Gromit . .

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
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  loyal pooch protected my identity for more than a decade, time for a rest old pal.. yep, that's the real me in my new avatar all stubbly and snoozing in the afternoon sun.

  call me nic' or call me mike, it's all good.

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  Jehovah's Witnesses ... Proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879

  by jwleaks in

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  the first edition of the watchtower magazine, july 1879, made the following comment on page 5 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

  exactly 136 years later the latest edition of the watchtower magazine, july 2015, (paragraph 3) made the following comment on page 15 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

  jehovah's witnesses ... proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879.. .

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  I had a discussion with my Dad about 5 years ago on this very subject. He was saying Armageddon is coming soon. I asked him how he can know that as Watchtower has been saying this for years. He replied it was because the economy was so bad. I said to him "Is the economy as bad as it was during the Great Depression?"

  He replied with a tentative "Noooo."

  I said "Wouldn't it seem more likely then that if a bad economy was the reason it will come 'soon', that the end should have come back then?"

  I got the deer-in-the-headlights look.

  I then said "The Watchtower needs to stop saying it's coming soon. They lose credibility when it doesn't. It's like crying wolf. People stop listening to you."
  
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  Why did God permit Scriptures to be corrupted?

  by economy in

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  if someone informs you that your shop caught fire, and firefighters are on the job, you will run to the spot.

  however, if you had already sold that property on the previous day (which this messenger is ignorant of), you are likely to respond, saying: shop is not mine..

  situation is same with god.

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  Heaven

  The Banarama bunch can sod off.

  This is reminding me of Bananarama :
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ePIZugahFc
  
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  How a Christian Converts an Atheist

  by Magwitch in

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  2. entertainment

  http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/04/13/how-christians-think-they-can-convert-atheists-according-to-wikihow/.

  this article is pure pleasure.

  i thought at first it was a joke, but apparently not.

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  Heaven

  This is what happens when you have 'faith'. People live in their delusional worlds.