Posts by Number1Anarchist

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Why do you have to pray to God to beable to understand the Bible?

by Number1Anarchist in

if you read any book on the planet as long as you have some kind of education you can read it and clearly understand it and not argue this means this and that means that.

18 now i say to you that you are peter (which means rock),[a] and upon this rock i will build my church, and all the powers of hell[b] will not conquer it.

18"i also say to you that you are (a)peter, and upon this rock i will build my church; and the gates of (b)hades will not overpower it.

Number1Anarchist

I appreciate your responses BurnTheShips. Ok so all i have to do is look in an encyclopedia and see where most holidays come from and there history. That has nothing to do with the Witnesses. To deny the roots of paganism is up to each individual. Is that holding onto Watchtower teachings? Like Catholics in mexico when they were converting the natives they addopted some of the native customs to recruit new followers and guess what there still celebrating those same pagan customs to this day.

They have weaved paganism with christianity. i guess that's true Christianity in your book and the Watchtower are not true Christians? That's the part i don't get you did an examination of the Watchtower and said that's not truth and there not Christians but make excuses for the rest of Christianty and call that true Christians as long as they believe in Jesus. That's not my point i'm not searching for religion i want nothing to do with it. You're telling me i'm not consistent i'm absolutley consistent while you are not.

I don't know who you think you're trying to fool to deny that there is no paganism in Christianty. The Catholics hold the torch on weaving paganism and Christian doctrine. Looks to me like you don't care as long as they believe in Jesus . I don't know everything about every religion but i can guarantee that if i did research on it i would find it has paganism in it or some man mad nonsense.Paganism in the Catholic religion i could find in two seconds along with all its man made doctrines all i would have to do is google it.

All this tells me is your faith is Shakey at best and built on the same foundation as the Watchtower. If you're happy with that so be it. I'm not judgeing individuals i'm judging entire institutions and have proof. Prove to me the Catholics have no paganism and get back to me. Didn't the bible speak about being lukewarm and vomiting that person out of his mouth and that it was better to be hot or cold. Well if that's the way Christians think that's is about as lukewarm as you can get.

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True & purposeful belief.. from within or without ? Your answer please !

by caliber in

this is an off shoot from loubelle's thread .. i did not wish to steal it.

here are some quotes i wish to explore.

it's the inherent weakness of belief that comes from outside of a person.

Number1Anarchist

AllTimeJeff you've articulated my thoughts exactly. Ofcourse it's nice to have faith in something but when that faith is baseless and built on superstition and you are told you must believe or you will be killed gets rediculous. Do or die syndrome.

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Why do you have to pray to God to beable to understand the Bible?

by Number1Anarchist in

if you read any book on the planet as long as you have some kind of education you can read it and clearly understand it and not argue this means this and that means that.

18 now i say to you that you are peter (which means rock),[a] and upon this rock i will build my church, and all the powers of hell[b] will not conquer it.

18"i also say to you that you are (a)peter, and upon this rock i will build my church; and the gates of (b)hades will not overpower it.

Number1Anarchist

I can do that without reading the bible or attending any religious services.

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Why do you have to pray to God to beable to understand the Bible?

by Number1Anarchist in

if you read any book on the planet as long as you have some kind of education you can read it and clearly understand it and not argue this means this and that means that.

18 now i say to you that you are peter (which means rock),[a] and upon this rock i will build my church, and all the powers of hell[b] will not conquer it.

18"i also say to you that you are (a)peter, and upon this rock i will build my church; and the gates of (b)hades will not overpower it.

Number1Anarchist

Wow, you went from staunch witness to whatever floats your boat. I guess you can just bounce around from church to church and not stay there long enough to know anything about there church doctrines or just ignore them altogether. what strange faith indeed. I can't profess to the church buffet and pick and choose what i believe and what i don't believe that's total nonsense in my book. If i don't agree with all of it than i would never enter that building. why not head back to the watchtower and enjoy that same way of thinking.I'm sure they got a few things right like the rest of the Christian religion. If it's really that simple like you guys make it out. That's why we left the Witnesses because it did not have truth along with the high control BS. I guess if you can just ignore any paganism that the church supports. Sounds all easy and simple to you but for me it's disturbing. Read in the old testament did God allow other gods to be worshipped in his temple allong with his worship. You cannot deny the Paganism in all churches. That's is why you will never see me attend. I guess the God you worship is the one that's not jealous and doesn't mind a little paganism as long as you have faith in his son. Just stick to the gospels and forget everything else believe in Jesus and close your eyes to what's going on in the church you attend. Ok anyone else see something strange in this way of thinking. That's why i'm about to throw my bible out the window you guys are proveing my arguement.

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What Are Your New Year's Resolutions?

by minimus in

jw
friends

mine is to better organize my stuff and throw sh*t away.

Number1Anarchist

1. Destroy the Watchtower.

2. Find a hobby i enjoy.

3. Get motivated and accomplish my goals in life.

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Why do you have to pray to God to beable to understand the Bible?

by Number1Anarchist in

if you read any book on the planet as long as you have some kind of education you can read it and clearly understand it and not argue this means this and that means that.

18 now i say to you that you are peter (which means rock),[a] and upon this rock i will build my church, and all the powers of hell[b] will not conquer it.

18"i also say to you that you are (a)peter, and upon this rock i will build my church; and the gates of (b)hades will not overpower it.

Number1Anarchist

My point is being answered BurnTheShips and snowbird don't agree and both are Chiristians? you both read the same scripture and get 2 or more meanings out of it. how can a book do that. The only book on the planet that people can read and not see it the same. what kind of evil book is this? lol

Ok so people have always clinged to his teaching but they also are clinging to man made nonsense at the same time. I guess it is something i will never understand but my point is proven that you both read the same scripture and interpret it differently. To Mention Peter and everybody else are behind the gates of hell or in heaven is all speculation and neither have a clue where they are. That's another problem of mine is baseless arguements. You can't prove it so why say it.

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Why do you have to pray to God to beable to understand the Bible?

by Number1Anarchist in

if you read any book on the planet as long as you have some kind of education you can read it and clearly understand it and not argue this means this and that means that.

18 now i say to you that you are peter (which means rock),[a] and upon this rock i will build my church, and all the powers of hell[b] will not conquer it.

18"i also say to you that you are (a)peter, and upon this rock i will build my church; and the gates of (b)hades will not overpower it.

Number1Anarchist

wtwizard i can totally agree i think if you are indoctrinated into whatever church you have an understanding of god that becomes set in stone and after that point overlook everything the God of the bible does in certain situations. alot of things mentioned in the bible like the flood for example makes no sense. why would God flood the world knowing it would just become wicked again down the road. So basically God drowned everyone but Noah and his family. If you really start to do an investigation into the bible being the word of God it starts to fall apart, atleast that's what i'm seeing. Thx

abbagail The name Peter means rock so i think you have misunderstood the beginning because i'm not argueing about the beginning. Look at some translations of the bible and all them seem to agree that Peter is the rock that Jesus is speaking of. Peter is the rock because he is the Person Jesus is using to establish his Church. He said on this Rock referring to Peter. Look into that one some more because i think all the translations i have read have said Peter is the rock and his name means rock. So if you say the it is the Church you need to explain in more detail what that means. The definition of church can be a building or a Congregation of believers so what exactly is this supposed to mean. As i explained before Jesus also said that Wolves would enter his Congragation to the point of being its spiritual leaders. Look throughout history and even now all the spirtual leaders getting thereselves involved with Killing, homosexuality, politics, stealing money or whatever else you can think of. so your telling me that even though you have this the believers won't have there faith destroyed in the resurrection. The Church Jesus established has been destroyed because there is no church on the planet that is a true worshiper and teaches truth.

Snowbird i see you agree with abbagail please explain in more detail why you believe it is the Church. the Church that Jesus established nolonger exists. Who teaches what Jesus taught without all the nonsense. Not one. I think i prayed alot when i was a Witness and prayed for truth and guess what i got. I got stuck in the Watchtower until i figured it out on my own. Why wouldn't this loving God just direct everyone to him if they were sincere. But he reads the heart so my heart must be wicked because he does not lead me to the truth. I think alot of it has to do with blind faith something i learned through the Watchtower i cannot do anymore.

Witness007 lol Ya i bet when they read it they said to themselves this guy must be posessed by satan to write a book so full of nonsense and we must stone him for writing such a crazy book. Revelation is one book that nobody understands but they sure love to interpret it. The Churches love Revelation, it keeps those followers right in line and scares the shit out of em.

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Why do you have to pray to God to beable to understand the Bible?

by Number1Anarchist in

if you read any book on the planet as long as you have some kind of education you can read it and clearly understand it and not argue this means this and that means that.

18 now i say to you that you are peter (which means rock),[a] and upon this rock i will build my church, and all the powers of hell[b] will not conquer it.

18"i also say to you that you are (a)peter, and upon this rock i will build my church; and the gates of (b)hades will not overpower it.

Number1Anarchist

Lol, the Jury on religion is already out for me. I want nothing to do with religion of any kind i will follow nobody but myself. The bible as oompa put it, im learning is a story book.

Oompa ya it can be tuff at times that's for sure. Hope we can both work through are questions or just be satisfied with no answers but it can be fun in the process learning.

Nobodies interpreted my scripture yet.lol

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Why do you have to pray to God to beable to understand the Bible?

by Number1Anarchist in

if you read any book on the planet as long as you have some kind of education you can read it and clearly understand it and not argue this means this and that means that.

18 now i say to you that you are peter (which means rock),[a] and upon this rock i will build my church, and all the powers of hell[b] will not conquer it.

18"i also say to you that you are (a)peter, and upon this rock i will build my church; and the gates of (b)hades will not overpower it.

Number1Anarchist

Lol, I'm almost there with you. I'm starting to lean that the bible is just a made up story book. thx

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Why do you have to pray to God to beable to understand the Bible?

by Number1Anarchist in

if you read any book on the planet as long as you have some kind of education you can read it and clearly understand it and not argue this means this and that means that.

18 now i say to you that you are peter (which means rock),[a] and upon this rock i will build my church, and all the powers of hell[b] will not conquer it.

18"i also say to you that you are (a)peter, and upon this rock i will build my church; and the gates of (b)hades will not overpower it.

Number1Anarchist

If you read any book on the planet as long as you have some kind of education you can read it and clearly understand it and not argue this means this and that means that. Now i still do reasearch on the bible and i am starting lean that it is a strange book full of nonsens but the Jury for me is still out on that final verdict.

I was on youtube and the guy quotes this scripture which i never read before. Answer me this, what is this scripture saying to you and why do you have to pray to God to understand his book that he wrote for us. lol Here is the scripture with different interpretations. He understands it as one thing and i understand it as another. This is what he last said to me."ask jesus if He would bring clarity to this. If he is willing the HOLY SPIRIT will reveal it to you".

Matthew 16:18 (Wycliffe New Testament)

18 And I say to thee, that thou art Peter, and on this stone I shall build my church, and the gates of hell shall not have power against it. [And I say to thee, for thou art Peter, and upon this stone I shall build my church, and the gates of hell shall not have might, or strength, against it.]

Matthew 16:18 (New Living Translation)
18 Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means rock),[a] and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell[b] will not conquer it.

Matthew 16:18 (New American Standard Bible)

18"I also say to you that you are (A)Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of (B)Hades will not overpower it.

The way i look at this scripture is Peter is the rock that Jesus is establishing his church on we both agree on that but he is telling me that the powers of hell will not conquer it? (the church) while i think the powers of hell will not overpower what Peter is assigned to do?What do you see it as. Let me know even if you don't beleive in the bible. How would you interpret the (IT) in this scripture.

We all know the Church itself has been overpowered even Jesus said somewhere that wolves would enter the congregation. so if wolves enter your congregation wouldn't that conquer it?

Why would you have to pray for understanding of a book written 2000+ years ago for people who had no education?

I'm about to toss the bible out the window i'm so sick of this nonsense. Thx

I copied and pasted the scriptures he used and the video for some reason posted and has nothing to do with the subject but feel free to watch if you like.