Yeah don't you love those questions about sex? who touched who first, over the clothes? who went under the clothes? who took off whose clothes? why type of sex? oral? anal? condoms? did you finish? Sometimes it seems more like they're gathering info for a porn they're going to write. Maybe that's what all the elders meetings are REALLY about, hashing all the juicy details of the sex details they hear about. haha. JK. ewww.
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by feenx inhey all :)
so i am always curious about fellow ex dubs disfellowshipping experience.
mine was pretty retarded, well they had every reason to df me, but the whole process was asinine.
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Disfellowshipping Experiences...
by feenx inhey all :)
so i am always curious about fellow ex dubs disfellowshipping experience.
mine was pretty retarded, well they had every reason to df me, but the whole process was asinine.
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Hey all :)
So I am always curious about fellow ex dubs disfellowshipping experience. Mine was pretty retarded, well they had every reason to DF me, but the whole process was asinine. I was actually straight foreward with the elders. I felt there was no need not to be upfront about everything because I am not the type of person to hide what I've done. So the day after my fornicat-tion (Doug Heffernan voice) was done I called up my book study overseer and told him to arrange JC. While usually these proceedings can take several meetings this one did not. We talked for about 45 minutes to an hour, during which time they didn't want to get into any of my motivations or reasons for doing what I'd done (which were more than just what was on the surface), they "deliberated" for about 30 minutes and then gave me the boot. My mother told me later that my father had been told by them that after I left they all cried. mmmmm hmmmm....yes I can really see all the reasons they have to cry. Another mind to control just walked out that door. DAMN. Oh well, on to the next lamb to slaughter.
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Clergy-Penitent Privilege: Boundaries?
by feenx inhey all :)
is anyone versed in the ins and outs of clery-penitent privilege?
if there are any boundaries, and if so what they are?
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Hey all :)
Is anyone versed in the ins and outs of clery-penitent privilege? If there are any boundaries, and if so what they are? Does it apply solely to the initial elder(s) who are told confidential information, or does it apply to any elder that is aware of a certain wrongdoing? -
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Are you making progress?
by nvrgnbk inwe're all in different stages of exiting the jw organization.. how do you feel about where you are at today, compared with a year ago?
do you see positive growth in yourself?
or do you feel stagnant?.
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I definitely feel heavy progress within the last five years since I was DF'd and especially in the last year. Previously I had always felt there were huge issues with the organization itself, even before I got the boot, but I always struggled with all the other teachings. They never made sense, but I still had the mental hand cuffs on. Since I have left I have had no desire to embrace any kind of "God." And though I still feel this way I now am interested in faith from a historical standpoint. I think organized religion as a whole is a mistake. Regardless of the intentions the outcome can be nothing but failure. I agree that there is some wisdom in the Bible, but no more than in any other teachings, whether they are based on the Bible or not. And that wisdom does not have any bearing on determining how I live my life. I do not accept the Bible as the one true word of God, and certainly by no means a complete word of God. That's painfully obvious with all the disputes of many aspects of the Bible. I saw a quote from a poster on another JW board, and I'm not sure if it's his or someone elses, but it said "The mind is like a parachute, it works much better when it's open." I feel that is true in many aspects of life, and following a teaching of any man based on what is claimed to be a divinely inspired source is taking away an open mind and turning yourself into a mental, spiritual and emotional zombie.
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:/ MAC's and this forum don't jive well. SORRY.
My father always tried to instill morals and bible principles in my judgement. I struggled with this for pretty much my whole life until I was out. Now MY morals tell me that if there's even the chance that I can help someone in a similar situation to what mine was, then that's something I must do. For them and myself. And that to me is eminently important. I agree that I must worry about things as they come. And I am assuming how he will react before I've even spoken to him. Publishing this book is not a reality right now, however writing it is. So I plan to talk with him about it, honestly, and hope that he will be open to talking about what I want to. Really the only thing I am unsure of how much he will want to talk about is the Elders meeting with those 6 elders. But he also needs to know how far I've come, and far I'm willing to go to heal and help others. And it is my hope, that as my father, he will support that. If not, then at least my conscience will be clear. -
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oops...I posted that last one before I was done.
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oops...I posted that last one before I was done.
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AGuest, thank you so much for your comments! the one at the bottom of the first page totally nailed things on the head. I feel I have to be upfront, in a loving way, with him. And that is not only what I want in regards to the book, but that is what I need, for me. If he truly is willing to talk about things, then we both deserve for me to give him that chance, BUT at the same time I need to feel like we are talking as father and son, and that he truly cares about how I feel, and not an Elder and a DF sinner. That has been my entire struggle over the past 9-12 months, before there was ever any talk of a book. I feel like I am talking to an Elder who just happens to be my dad, instead of my Father who just happens to be an Elder.
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AGuest, thank you so much for your comments! the one at the bottom of the first page totally nailed things on the head. I feel I have to be upfront, in a loving way, with him. And that is not only what I want in regards to the book, but that is what I need, for me. If he truly is willing to talk about things, then we both deserve for me to give him that chance, BUT at the same time I need to feel like we are talking as father and son, and that he truly cares about how I feel, and not an Elder and a DF sinner. That has been my entire struggle over the past 9-12 months, before there was ever any talk of a book. I feel like I am talking to an Elder who just happens to be my dad, instead of my Father who just happens to be an Elder.
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AGuest, thank you so much for your comments! the one at the bottom of the first page totally nailed things on the head. I feel I have to be upfront, in a loving way, with him. And that is not only what I want in regards to the book, but that is what I need, for me. If he truly is willing to talk about things, then we both deserve for me to give him that chance, BUT at the same time I need to feel like we are talking as father and son, and that he truly cares about how I feel, and not an Elder and a DF sinner. That has been my entire struggle over the past 9-12 months, before there was ever any talk of a book. I feel like I am talking to an Elder who just happens to be my dad, instead of my Father who just happens to be an Elder.