Posts by inkling

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If there was no global flood - does this mean that the Bible is not inspired?

by Olin Moyles Ghost in

do you agree that if there was no global flood, then the bible is not inspired?

here are my thoughts.. it is pretty obvious that there was no global flood 4,000 years ago.

) that there were one or more large local floods in mesopotamia around the time of noah.

inkling

Eg. should the fact that some of Dawkins research and hypothesis into and of genes is being shown to be outdated discredit all of his research?

If Dawkins was claiming to be God, or a spokesperson for God, then... yeah.

If the Bible writers were writing as spokesmen for God, but they occasionally got
a few things completely wrong, how are we supposed to know what they got
RIGHT? If they screwed up the flood story, how do we know they got the
homophobia correct?

We have to remember that much of the Bible, including the really significant
moral stuff, is based on the "Because I Said So" system. That system only works
if you can PROVE you are all powerful and all knowing, and one way to do that
is by writing something only an all powerful/knowing entity COULD write.

If your piece of writing has some things right and some things wrong and you
leave it to the good sense, science, and conscience of your future readers to
figure out which is which, you are left with a work that is indistinguishable
from a man made document, and can only reasonably be treated as such.

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Republican Witnesses and Democrat Witnesses

by inkling in

it seems to me that witnesses are political in .

much the same way they are racist: i.e.

but not out loud.. i recall a conversation during a coffee break.

inkling

It seems to me that witnesses are political in
much the same way they are racist: i.e. often,
but not out loud.

I recall a conversation during a coffee break
when we were talking about what sort of newsmedia
we read/watched/listened to, and I mentioned that I
listened to NPR alot, and found it to be the most objective
and reasonable coverage available in our area.

The elder I was talking to did a double take and
then exclaimed, aghast, "Objective? Objective?!?"

Awkward silence followed.

It was at that point it really sunk in that JWs
are totally deluding themselves when they claim
to be "politically neutral". Bullsh*t.

They tend to be politically underinformed due to
apathy certainly, but extremely opinionated AND
not uniformly.

Witneess all hold political beliefs, they just
don't ADMIT they are political beliefs, as if
the only thing that counts as a political belief
is a out-loud statement pro/con about a current
politician.

So, did you know witness that were closet Democrats,
Republicans, Libertarians, or Socialists?

I think we all know a few JW fascists....

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Bible Rating...If it was made into a movie?

by Marlene in

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when my parents refused to let me see a movie due to the horrific "r" rated movies, i would usually reply with the smartass question "what would the bible be rated if it were made into a movie?

it would have to show genocide, human sacrifice, rape, incest, torture...even birthday celebrations!!

did anyone else ever use this line of reasoning?.

inkling

Yes. To a curcuit overseer.

His response: "True, but we know that everything in the Bible was put there for a reason"

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Second half of Judicial recordings!!!!! Podcast 10

by Hobo Ken in

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this the second half of the judicial committee meeting with the elders in which the decision is taken to "disfellowship" me.

the reasons are given at the end of the meeting.

here is the link to the audio podcast 10. here is the link to the webpage which you can leave comments on if you wish death or obedience.

inkling

Wow, this makes me glad that the last time I talked honestly
to the elders about my thoughts and status of belief was so
long ago that I didn't admit anything dire.

This also makes me want to have as LITTLE contact with any
elders as possible.

I think I HAVE said DFable things to my parents, and I can
only hope my elders never rustle up a hunting party.

I'm a little confused though, what was the actual "testimony
of two witnesses"? And do you think they DFed you for that,
or becuase of all this other stuff they were "sure" you were
doing but had no proof for?

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"i could have calibrated those words differently"...obama...who talks like that?

by oompa in

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so that is his form of an apology?.......that was not an apology obviously.......as a conservative republican who switched over to supporting obama mainly for his health care policy........this is the most disappointed i have been in him.......first the stupidly comment about the police and a situation he already he said he did not know the details about........then this "i am too proud to say im sorry" speachy think like wtbts would do......just awful imo.......oompa.

inkling

Why don't more people talk like that?

And, more importantly, why couldn't Obama talk like that DURING the Q&A
portion of his press conference?

Sigh... I guess that makes him human. Still, a human with excellent
political f**kup recovery reflexes.... and good speech writers, of course.

He's like a cat that goes for a bird, falls out of a window, lands on his
feet and gives a convincing "I meant to do that" look.

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"i could have calibrated those words differently"...obama...who talks like that?

by oompa in

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so that is his form of an apology?.......that was not an apology obviously.......as a conservative republican who switched over to supporting obama mainly for his health care policy........this is the most disappointed i have been in him.......first the stupidly comment about the police and a situation he already he said he did not know the details about........then this "i am too proud to say im sorry" speachy think like wtbts would do......just awful imo.......oompa.

inkling

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-july-23-2009/white-house-m-d-

click the link, and jump to 6:00 for Jon Stewarts take. Very funny.

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"i could have calibrated those words differently"...obama...who talks like that?

by oompa in

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friends

so that is his form of an apology?.......that was not an apology obviously.......as a conservative republican who switched over to supporting obama mainly for his health care policy........this is the most disappointed i have been in him.......first the stupidly comment about the police and a situation he already he said he did not know the details about........then this "i am too proud to say im sorry" speachy think like wtbts would do......just awful imo.......oompa.

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"i could have calibrated those words differently"...obama...who talks like that?

by oompa in

jw
friends

so that is his form of an apology?.......that was not an apology obviously.......as a conservative republican who switched over to supporting obama mainly for his health care policy........this is the most disappointed i have been in him.......first the stupidly comment about the police and a situation he already he said he did not know the details about........then this "i am too proud to say im sorry" speachy think like wtbts would do......just awful imo.......oompa.

inkling

...who talks like that?

Hmmm.. people who own and know how to use a thesaurus?

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"He was really smart. Smart people leave all the time" <- Unwitting Witness Tells The Truth

by gubberningbody in

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how many of you have heard this one, or words to that effect?.

inkling

Anyone can pull Paul out of their arse

Well, that does give a whole new meaning to Paul's homophobia...

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Are Most Scientists Atheists?

by passwordprotected in

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james leuba conducted a survey of scientists in 1916. they were asked a whether they believed in a god who actively communicates with humanity, to whom humans can pray and expect an answer.. to believe in this sort of god would mean you were a theist.

if you're a deist, or agnostic, you believe there's a god but he's not necessarily interested in humans and we wouldn't pray to this god.. the results of this survey revealed that roughly 40% of scientists believe in this sort of god, making them theists.

40% didn't, making them either deists/agnostics or atheists.

inkling

We're thinking of having Besty disfellowshipped from Atheism for his lack of faith and commitment.

Yes, he is being brought up, as we speak, on charges of being a "faitheist", a "godlycoddler",
and even....*shudder* a Unitarian!

oh the horror...

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