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The Creation of Jesus
by berrygerry in
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seeing a trinity thread.. can a jw apologist explain what (not who) is jesus?.

prior to the creation of everything 13.7 billion years ago (draw close book), jehovah created jesus as his firstborn, his only-begotten.. there was nothing else - no stars, no dust, no matter - just jehovah - and then, just jehovah and jesus.

so, what was jesus?.
freeman
Thank you David Jay for your input. I won't argue with what you say because I really have no standing in Greek other then I did some college level course work in it and a lot of reading. I am not lettered in this field, it is for my own edification that I started down this path.
You said in part: “simply means "At the beginning [as mentioned in Genesis 1:1] was the Word."
That said, I happen to know that there are literally legions of true scholars in this field that do not share your particular view, but rather lean more in my direction and present understanding.
Here is a partial excerpt of Dr. White discussing this very point as part of a larger dissertation:
Excerpted under fair use rules from John1:1 Meaning and Translation By: Dr. James White :

John's first assertion is that "In the beginning was the Word." Which beginning? Considering the whole context of the prologue, many have identified this beginning as the same beginning mentioned in Genesis 1:1. But most see that the assertion of the Apostle goes far beyond that.
The key element in understanding this, the first phrase of this magnificent verse, is the form of the word "was," which in the Greek language in which John was writing, is the word en (the "e" pronounced as a long "a" as in "I ate the food"). It is a timeless word - that is, it simply points to existence before the present time without reference to a point of origin. One can push back the "beginning" as far as you can imagine, and, according to John, the Word still is. Hence, the Word is eternal, timeless. The Word is not a creation that came into existence at "the beginning," for He antedates that beginning.
As I said in a previous post, I don't like to debate anymore, but if you so desire, Dr. White does like to both teach and debate and does so all the time, often televised or recorded. And unlike me he is an excellent teacher. He can be reached at Alpha & Omega Ministries. I hope that helps.
Freeman
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The Creation of Jesus
by berrygerry in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
seeing a trinity thread.. can a jw apologist explain what (not who) is jesus?.

prior to the creation of everything 13.7 billion years ago (draw close book), jehovah created jesus as his firstborn, his only-begotten.. there was nothing else - no stars, no dust, no matter - just jehovah - and then, just jehovah and jesus.

so, what was jesus?.

freeman

Wonderment, thank you for your input.

You said:

That´s a bold assertion. Can you provide any evidence that En archē ēn ho Lógos can only mean grammatically that the Logos was eternal?

No I can't, you have me dead to rights there. I used to love to debate, but I don't do that anymore. Given my piss-poor teaching ability you make a good argument. You are incorrect nonetheless, but the fault is mine for using a transliteration of Greek, I though it would make it easier to understand, but I shot myself in the foot instead.

I had a teacher that would have penalized me for doing so, I know better then this, but I am lazy and as I said a piss-poor teacher.

So here it is Wonderment in Greek, much clearer (I hope) as the first words don't look similar in this form:

ΕΝ ΑΡΧΗ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΚΑΙ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΗΝ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΝ
ΘΕΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΟΣ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ

The key part is this: ΕΝ ΑΡΧΗ ΗΝ This simple phrase in Greek means that whatever object follows this is before time, in other words it has no origin, no beginning.

So the Logos or the Word has no beginning, he is not the created, he IS in fact the creator of all things created, but not part of the creation itself. That makes the JW's dead wrong according to the very scriptures they say they believe in.

It took me about seven years to get to this level of understanding, but I have no degree related to this field, I don't teach and I don't pretend to be a teacher of ἡ κοινὴ διάλεκτος, that is to say common or Koine Greek, the type of Greek the Bible is written in.

I'm not even really typing these Greek characters you are reading, I have no ability with the fonts I have installed, I'm cutting and pasting from crap off the internet but to my eye it looks correct as far as I can tell, so I don't think I'm leading you down the wrong path character wise.

The bottom line is this: The common Greek of the bible is very precise, a big pain in the ass to learn, but very precise and it says in no uncertain terms that the Word was existing before even time began, eternal, no origin, no beginning, no starting point, always was, just the same as the Father. Get It? This Word fellow is just as old as the Jehovah fellow and both of them are older then dirt!

I'm not making a statement of faith, I'm not telling you to believe the Bible, that's on you and whatever your beliefs are or lack of belief may be. Belief in a supreme being or the Bible is not necessary, what I'm talking about is linguist science, and science is science, no faith necessary.

I can't explain it any better then that, as I said I'm not an expert in this field, but I gave it a shot, and the Greek is the Greek, and of that I'm sure of.

Freeman

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The Creation of Jesus
by berrygerry in
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2. beliefs
seeing a trinity thread.. can a jw apologist explain what (not who) is jesus?.

prior to the creation of everything 13.7 billion years ago (draw close book), jehovah created jesus as his firstborn, his only-begotten.. there was nothing else - no stars, no dust, no matter - just jehovah - and then, just jehovah and jesus.

so, what was jesus?.
freeman
I'm not a physicist by training, but my old boss was an astrophysicist, some of my buddies are theoretical and experimental physicists and after countless discussions and a lot of reading on my own and directed by others, I believe I have pretty good grasp of the fundamentals. That said:
Holy Crap!

We started learning some time ago that the physical world that we all see and love is not all there is, not by a long shot. I myself was a staunch believer in the conservation of energy, but I had to adjust my strongly held beliefs a little when it was demonstrated to me that quantum mechanics not only allows but even requires a temporary violations of conservation of energy.
Things can and in fact do routinely pop in and out of existence, and no they don't necessarily have to originate from an equated amount of energy. E=MC squared is true for the most part, and also the reverse of this statement is true most of the time, but not always. In the world of the very very small, spooky things happen and there may be temporary violations to this principle. Try Goggling virtual particles sometime. Strange suckers that pop in and out of existence. Spooky and they like to sometimes violate at least temporally some basic fundamentals of physics.
- JW's think they know about Jehovah, Jesus, and the Bible: They don't know jack!
- A few scientists think they have a grip on how the universe works: They don't know jack!
- The older I get, the more I realize I don't know and never did know jack!
Anyway that's my story and I'm sticking to it..
Freeman
33
The Creation of Jesus
by berrygerry in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
seeing a trinity thread.. can a jw apologist explain what (not who) is jesus?.

prior to the creation of everything 13.7 billion years ago (draw close book), jehovah created jesus as his firstborn, his only-begotten.. there was nothing else - no stars, no dust, no matter - just jehovah - and then, just jehovah and jesus.

so, what was jesus?.
freeman
A little background so you know where I'm coming from, Half Banana. I'm an ex-NASA engineer and was involved with the Hubble Space Telescope. I was also involved with COBE the Cosmic Background Explorer. Looking for and precisely measuring and mapping the electromagnet echo of the big bang event. Both the Hubble and COBE present us with a vast avalanche of evidence supporting the Big Bang Theory. Many f undies and ignoramuses of various strips do not like Big Bang precisely because they don't have a clue of what it really means. It goes a long way supporting a creation event, but they just don't get that.
To me science is my religion. I believe in the big bang, because the science compels me and further I believe in evolution, again the science compels me to believe. I do have problems will aspects of Darwinism, but that's a separate issue that is often conflated with evolution itself.
That said, I am willing to change my views if the science so leads me there, but only if the science leads me. And when I say science, I mean evidence. In my world I do have room for God because the science allows for him, in fact much of physics especially at the quantum level hints of him quite compellingly.
Unfortunately I can't entertain the premise of the JW God in my life. This god of theirs is in contradiction to known science, and now that I can read much of the bible in it's original languages, I also find the JW concept of God is vastly different then what an informed reading of these ancient texts presents him to be.
I'm presently 62 having retired at 55. In those seven years since retirement I have mostly fulfilled one of my key bucket list items. I wanted to have enough understanding to actually read and comprehend key parts of the bible, not relying on others for their interpretations of it. I wanted to to be able to read the texts with complete exegesis and not any eisegesis.
I can do that now!

So now that you know a bit more about me and that I reject the idea of allowing sectarianism in any form coloring what is true by preponderance of the evidence at hand I repeat this salient fact:
It doesn't matter what your belief system is or lack of one, including my own. If you are an Atheist, Agnostic (as I was) a Baptist or Buddhist. They, (the JW's) confess to believing fully in John 1:1 and the Greek is the Greek. En archē ēn ho Lógos means that the word always existed, period.
To be fair, technically I guess the JW's could correctly say there was indeed a time when their was no 'Son of God'. However, the Word as an entity predates the Son. The Son originated by the Word lowering himself.
And just to directly answer your specific question, I was in fact just explaining what the Greek text literally says. I was not offering my own beliefs.
That said, I will confess to you that I am also one of the the fish who took anglers bait. But in my defense I did in fact take the bait kicking and screaming along the way under much protest never wanting to believe.
Now I'm stuck and there is no going back for me. And you know what, it's not so bad, not burdensome at all. I don't mind being stuck at all. In fact I feel at peace with who I am now, just wish I had been less of an asshole, less cocky and done a little bit more for people along the way. Not to say that I didn't have some success, I did get a few thing done with my life:
- re-Designer of the Hubble Space Telescope System Access Security Program and Procedures
- Designated Subject Matter Expert regarding remote-controllable spacecraft for the Inspectors General Office, and my finding read into the official congressional record
- Designer of the worlds first A/I based network security system
- Designer of part of the Unix security verification program used in testing every Unix based DOD system in the entire world
- Contributor to NASA's Software Design Life-cycle Management Course
- Recipient of NASA's Outstanding Contractor of the Year Award
- Invited Guest Speaker of the National Security Agency
- Designer of the FAA's secure file transfer system now installed at all FAA en-route centers nationwide, saving taxpayers approximately $10,000,000 in the process.
- Technical Consultant to numerous 3 letter intelligence agencies, also the DOJ, the FBI, DEA, US Marshall's Service, US Secret Service, the Jet Propulsion Lab.
  Worked to stop KGB spies, counterfeiters, and bank thieves
I already know, none of that counts now, you don't have to say it Half Banana, I know that my belief makes me moronic, I get that but like I said, I can't go back now, I believe.
Freeman
(He accomplished a lot then blew it all towards the end of his life. How very sad.)
33
The Creation of Jesus
by berrygerry in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
seeing a trinity thread.. can a jw apologist explain what (not who) is jesus?.

prior to the creation of everything 13.7 billion years ago (draw close book), jehovah created jesus as his firstborn, his only-begotten.. there was nothing else - no stars, no dust, no matter - just jehovah - and then, just jehovah and jesus.

so, what was jesus?.
freeman

Forget about the trinity debate, the witnesses have a bigger problem trying to prove Jesus was created in the first place. They readily acknowledge that Jesus in his per-human existence was called the Logos or Word, but they fail to understand what even a first year Greek student understands, namely: En archē ēn ho Lógos (the first part of John1:1) means that the word existed before all time.
In other words, in JW lingo the little god Jesus or the Word is just as old as their big god Jehovah. The Word has no beginning! And that's not just me saying that, or even my professor's opinion which carries considerable weight. The Greek language is very precise, no ambiguity, no interpretation. It literately says the Word was already existing (Past tense ) before all time, no creation of the word or Jesus is even remotely possible, he always existed.
The second half of John 1:1 goes on to show the relationship and how close it is, it literally says they exist together face-to-face and that not only did he always exist but that the Word is made out of the very same stuff as Jehovah. I goes on and talks about the quality or substance of the Word, not the pecking order or who is greater as the JW's would have you believe. Of course I'm now diving into the weeds, but back to my main point: It doesn't matter what your belief system is, if your an Atheist, Agnostic a Baptist or Buddhist. They believe John 1:1 and the Greek is the Greek, En archē ēn ho Lógos means that the word always existed, period.
Freeman
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Worlds largest death cult, the JWs pale in comparison...
by C0ntr013r in
1. social
2. current
islam, a death cult with 1.6 billion followers.

almost a quarter of the worlds population.

in many places apostasy is punished by death.. jws say they cant kill people for apostasy because they have to obey the laws of the land, but what if the jws ruled the land like the muslims are in many countries?....

freeman

From the religion of peace .com ( www.religionofpeace.com )

List of Islamic Terror:
Last 30 Days

This is part of the list of Islamic terror attacks maintained by TheReligionofPeace.com.

During this time period, there were 95 Islamic attacks in 19 countries, in which 721 people were killed and 2725 injured.

(TROP does not catch all attacks. Not all attacks are immediately posted).

Date	Country	City	Killed	Injured	Description
2016.04.06	Syria	Aleppo	18	70	A pregnant woman and three children are among over a dozen left dead after terrorists fire rockets into a Kurdish neighborhood.
2016.04.06	Niger	Diffa	3	3	Three civilians are reduced to disparate parts by two Fedayeen suicide bombers.
2016.04.05	Afghanistan	Parwan	6	22	Children are among six killed when a suicide bomber detonates near a school.
2016.04.04	Iraq	Nasiriyah	14	27	A suicide bomber detonates at a restaurant frequented by Shiites, killing at least fourteen.
2016.04.02	Syria	Raqqa	1	0	Caliphate members murder a man in front of his family and hang from a traffic light.
2016.04.01	Syria	Palmyra	40	0	A mass grave is discovered containing women and children among other victims of the Islamic State.
2016.04.01	Thailand	Raman	2	1	Runda Kumpulan Kecil Islamists spray a tea shop with bullets, killing two villagers.
2016.03.31	Somalia	Galkayo	9	10	Ten people are torn limb from limb by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2016.03.30	Afghanistan	Zabul	2	1	Suspected Taliban bombers exterminate two young children.
2016.03.29	Iraq	Baghdad	7	23	A Shahid suicide bomber detonates amid a group of civilians, laying out seven.
2016.03.27	Pakistan	Lahore	74	362	A massive suicide blast targeting Christian families celebrating Easter leaves over seventy dead, half of whom were children.
2016.03.26	Nigeria	Tumpun	4	0	Boko Haram gunmen open fire on a group of villagers, killing four.
2016.03.26	Pakistan	Lwargi	1	0	A polio worker is gunned down inside his clinic by Lashkar-e-Islam.
2016.03.25	Iraq	Iskandariyah	41	105	Forty-one innocents are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber at a soccer game.
2016.03.25	Libya	Zaria	2	0	A suspected ISIS bomb blast takes out a woman and her infant son.
2016.03.25	Yemen	Aden	25	15	Three al-Qaeda suicide bombings leave twenty-five dead.
2016.03.25	Syria	Jarablus	2	0	Two teenagers are chained, blindfolded and shot to death by a Sharia court.
2016.03.24	Pakistan	Hayatabad	1	0	A university professor is shot to death by fundamentalists.
2016.03.24	Pakistan	Dera Ismail Khan	2	0	Muslim extremists gun down two police officers.
2016.03.24	Scotland	Glasgow	1	0	An Ahmadi minority is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim over his religious beliefs.
2016.03.24	Afghanistan	Arghandab	7	0	Three Taliban in police uniform sprays seven sleeping officers with machine-gun fire.
2016.03.23	Syria	Foua	2	3	Ahrar al-Sham snipers pick off two civilians.
2016.03.23	Iraq	Baghdad	2	6	Two people outside a shop are sent to the hereafter by Jihadi bombers.
2016.03.23	Iraq	Zkhaikha	6	13	A suicide car bomber lays out a half-dozen Iraqis.
2016.03.22	Bangladesh	Kurigram	1	0	A Christian convert is stabbed to death by Religion of Peace proponents.
2016.03.22	Belgium	Brussels	14	92	Fourteen people are murdered when two suicide bombers detonate nail-packed explosives at crowded airline counters.
2016.03.22	Belgium	Brussels	21	130	A Religion of Peace suicide blast on a subway train incinerates twenty-one commuters.
2016.03.22	Iraq	Tarmiya	3	7	A Mujahid bomb blast claims three lives.
2016.03.21	Somalia	Laantu Buur	6	0	Six local soldiers are ambushed and killed by an Islamist group.
2016.03.21	Iraq	al-Baghdadi	6	9	An ISIS attack that began with five suicide bombings manages to kill six Iraqis.
2016.03.21	Iraq	Makhmour	2	0	Two others are taken out by a series of suicide bombers.
2016.03.21	Iraq	Anbar	30	0	A British suicide bomber is said to be responsible for a blast that kills thirty Iraqis.
2016.03.21	Yemen	Taiz	1	3	Shiite snipers fire on a group of journalists, bringing down one.
2016.03.21	Egypt	Cairo	4	0	Four Bible translators for Wycliffe are brutally slain in their office at an undisclosed location in the Middle East.
2016.03.20	Iraq	Haqlaniyah	24	12	A wave of Shahid suicide bombers kill two dozen Iraqis.
2016.03.19	Turkey	Istanbul	4	39	An ISIS suicide bomber murders four people along a city street, including two American tourists.
2016.03.19	Iraq	Mosul	70	0	A mass grave is discovered containing the remains of seventy female Yazidi victims of ISIS torture and execution.
2016.03.19	Somalia	Afmadhow	2	5	An al-Shabaab attack leaves two others dead.
2016.03.19	Egypt	al-Arish	15	0	ISIS claims to have detonated a suicide car bomb that leaves fifteen others dead.
2016.03.19	Iraq	Kirkuk	2	0	Two more children die from the effects of an ISIS mustard gas attack.
2016.03.18	Syria	Aleppo	1	6	A Sunni rocket sends a woman to the morgue.
2016.03.18	Afghanistan	Seori Tapi	2	1	A Taliban landmine takes out two people, including a child.
2016.03.18	Iraq	Mosul	1	0	A gentleman's head is removed by the Islamic State.
2016.03.18	Syria	Aleppo	2	3	Two children, a boy and a girl, are reduced to pulp by a series of Sunni rockets on their neighborhood.
2016.03.18	Pakistan	Sherabad	2	0	A young couple is shot to death by a conservative family member on suspicion of adultery.
2016.03.18	Nigeria	Bori	5	3	A young girl is among five villagers murdered by Boko Haram.
2016.03.17	Pakistan	Smagal	4	0	A woman and her child are among four souls obliterated by a suicide bomber.
2016.03.17	Niger	Dolbel	3	3	Three guards at a market are shot to death point blank by Jihadis.
2016.03.17	Niger	Diffa	1	2	Four suicide bombers manage to kill one other person.
2016.03.17	Iraq	Hamidat	1	0	Radicals put a rival imam against a wall and shoot him to death.
2016.03.17	Thailand	Pattani	1	0	A 53-year-old guard at a school is shot to death by Muslim militants.
2016.03.17	Iraq	Fallujah	6	0	Six men are executed in barbaric fashion by the Islamic State, including one whose head is blown off with explosives.
2016.03.17	Philippines	Sarangani	1	0	A 43-year-old man is beheaded by a pro-caliphate group.
2016.03.17	Egypt	Rafah	5	10	Five are killed when religious extremists attack a local military base.
2016.03.16	Pakistan	Peshawar	15	30	Fifteen people are torn to shreds when Lashkar-e-Islam bomb a bus carrying commuters.
2016.03.16	Nigeria	Maiduguri	18	35	Two female suicide bombers slaughter two dozen worshippers at a rival mosque.
2016.03.15	Iraq	Qwar	9	17	An ISIS chlorine gas attack kills nine Kurds.
2016.03.15	Afghanistan	Hajiabad	4	0	Women and children are among four civilians exterminated by Taliban bombers.
2016.03.15	Philippines	Patikul	2	0	Abu Sayyaf members ambush and kill two local soldiers.
2016.03.15	Afghanistan	Laghman	1	1	Sharia state proponents ambush and kill an off-duty police officer.
2016.03.15	Thailand	Pattani	1	0	Suspected terrorists shoot a young woman twice in the head at a market.
2016.03.14	Afghanistan	Kandahar	1	0	A woman is shot to death by the Taliban.
2016.03.14	Nigeria	Chul	3	7	Three civilians are taken out by a Boko Haram bomb blast.
2016.03.14	Nigeria	Huyum	1	1	Islamic gunmen kill a woman and shoot a child in the leg.
2016.03.14	Egypt	al-Arish	2	0	Two Egyptians are picked off by fundamentalist snipers.
2016.03.14	Iraq	Zankurah	22	16	Twenty-two Iraqis are killed during an assault by the Islamic State.
2016.03.14	Canada	Toronto, ON	0	2	A man stabs two soldiers at a recruiting center, saying that he was just following Allah's instructions.
2016.03.14	Syria	Busayrah	1	0	A young man is shot in the head for 'mocking religion'.
2016.03.14	Bangladesh	Jhenaidah	1	0	Radical Muslims assassinate a 'polytheist apostate' (i.e. Shia cleric).
2016.03.14	Iraq	Ramadi	25	20	ISIS suicide bombers massacre over two dozen in attacks on two villages.
2016.03.14	Iraq	Mosul	6	0	Six young people are rounded up and executed by the caliphate.
2016.03.13	Iraq	Tal Kasab	8	22	Suicide bomb attacks leave eight dead.
2016.03.13	Iraq	Sinjar	7	11	ISIS pour shells into a Yazidi village, killing seven residents.
2016.03.13	Afghanistan	Yengi Qala	2	0	A young couple is murdered over suspected sexual activity.
2016.03.13	Ivory Coast	Bassam	18	17	al-Qaeda gunmen assault a hotel and murder anyone refusing to praise Allah with them. The eighteen killed include a 5-year-old Christian who was cut down while praying.
2016.03.12	Iraq	Mahmoudiyah	2	7	Mujahid bombers kill two patrons at a market.
2016.03.12	Iraq	Munsiyah	7	0	Three women are among seven people murdered in their home by sectarian militia.
2016.03.12	Afghanistan	Khanashin	1	3	A child is disassembled by Taliban bombers.
2016.03.11	Ingushetia	Nazran	0	4	'Problems in the religious sphere' result in a car bomb blast outside a mosque.
2016.03.11	Pakistan	Kohistan	2	0	A couple is shot to death for 'illicit relations'.
2016.03.11	Iraq	Sheikhan	11	2	Two ISIS rockets claim the lives of eleven Iraqis.
2016.03.11	Iraq	Sinjar	5	3	Five Kurds are laid out by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2016.03.10	Nigeria	Tarka	3	0	Fulani mercenaries kill three villagers and burn their homes.
2016.03.10	Syria	Wilayat al-Khayr	1	0	A man is forced by ISIS to climb a radio tower, from which he is shot off.
2016.03.10	Syria	Wilayat al-Khayr	2	0	The Islamic State executes two terrified men by blowing them up.
2016.03.10	Libya	Misrata	3	0	Three police are killed when ISIS members attack a checkpoint.
2016.03.10	Iraq	Mosul	3	0	Three Kurds are beheaded by caliphate members.
2016.03.10	Syria	Deir Ezzor	2	0	A poet and his son are murdered by the Islamic State.
2016.03.09	Iraq	Taza	1	1500	A 3-year-old girl dies from an ISIS chemical attack that left hundreds injured.
2016.03.09	Nigeria	Benue	8	0	Fulani mercenaries invade four villages in the middle of the night, shooting at least eight residents to death.
2016.03.09	Afghanistan	Gereshk	4	30	A Taliban suicide assault on a government building leaves four guards dead.
2016.03.09	Somalia	Mogadishu	4	2	Four people bleed out following a suicide car bombing outside a café.
2016.03.09	Thailand	Narathiwat	2	3	Muslim terrorists murder two members of a guard patrol for teachers.
2016.03.09	Iraq	Husseiniya	1	6	Terrorists place a bomb under a bus that kills a passenger.

For information about our methodology, see About the List.

Freeman

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JW Memorial = Black mass
by pleaseresearch in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i've heard this before that what jws do is the same as a black mass.

could someone give me a link, book or evidence to support this please..
freeman

The JW Memorial is indeed very much a Black Mass in the sense of it is a mocking of the the Lords Evening Meal or as Catholics call it a Mass.

Just think about how mocking it is:

Everyone is invited.

Everyone touches the tray with the emblems.

Everyone rejects it!

Jesus says take, eat, this is my blood, take, eat this is my body, and virtually if not literally the entire gathering reject what he is offering.
Disgusting!
Yes the JW Memorial is about as close to a Black Mass as one can get!
Freeman
59
Spreading the "Religion of Peace" in Europe
by freemindfade in
1. social
2. current
so sad.

i love europe.

i love going there not as a tourist, but just blending in and spending time with locals in non-touristy local gems.. islam seems to be spreading their religion of peace throughout the continent.

freeman

Here is the handiwork of the religion of peace over just the last 30 days

Jihad Report
Last 30 Days

Attacks

130

Killed

985

Injured

2968

Suicide Blasts

Countries

Date	Country	City	Killed	Injured	Description
2016.03.29	Iraq	Baghdad	3	27	A Shahid suicide bomber detonates amid a group of civilians, laying out three.
2016.03.27	Pakistan	Lahore	72	362	A massive suicide blast targeting Christian families celebrating Easter leaves over seventy dead, half of whom were children.
2016.03.26	Nigeria	Tumpun	4	0	Boko Haram gunmen open fire on a group of villagers, killing four.
2016.03.26	Pakistan	Lwargi	1	0	A polio worker is gunned down inside his clinic by Lashkar-e-Islam.
2016.03.25	Yemen	Aden	25	15	Three al-Qaeda suicide bombings leave twenty-five dead.
2016.03.25	Iraq	Iskandariyah	41	105	Forty-one innocents are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber at a soccer game.
2016.03.24	Scotland	Glasgow	1	0	An Ahmadi religious minority is killed by a radical Muslim after wishing Christians a Happy Easter.
2016.03.23	Syria	Foua	2	3	Ahrar al-Sham snipers pick off two civilians.
2016.03.22	Iraq	Tarmiya	3	7	A Mujahid bomb blast claims three lives.
2016.03.22	Bangladesh	Kurigram	1	0	A Christian convert is stabbed to death by Religion of Peace proponents.
2016.03.22	Belgium	Brussels	14	92	Fourteen people are murdered when two suicide bombers detonate nail-packed explosives at crowded airline counters.
2016.03.22	Belgium	Brussels	21	130	A Religion of Peace suicide blast on a subway train incinerates twenty-one commuters.
2016.03.21	Iraq	Makhmour	2	0	Two others are taken out by a series of suicide bombers.
2016.03.21	Iraq	Anbar	30	0	A British suicide bomber is said to be responsible for a blast that kills thirty Iraqis.
2016.03.21	Yemen	Taiz	1	3	Shiite snipers fire on a group of journalists, bringing down one.
2016.03.21	Somalia	Laantu Buur	6	0	Six local soldiers are ambushed and killed by an Islamist group.
2016.03.20	Iraq	Haqlaniyah	24	12	A wave of Shahid suicide bombers kill two dozen Iraqis.
2016.03.19	Turkey	Istanbul	4	39	An ISIS suicide bomber murders four people along a city street, including two American tourists.
2016.03.19	Iraq	Mosul	70	0	A mass grave is discovered containing the remains of seventy female Yazidi victims of ISIS torture and execution.
2016.03.19	Somalia	Afmadhow	2	5	An al-Shabaab attack leaves two others dead.
2016.03.19	Egypt	al-Arish	15	0	ISIS claims to have detonated a suicide car bomb that leaves fifteen others dead.
2016.03.19	Iraq	Kirkuk	2	0	Two more children die from the effects of an ISIS mustard gas attack.
2016.03.18	Syria	Aleppo	1	6	A Sunni rocket sends a woman to the morgue.
2016.03.18	Afghanistan	Seori Tapi	2	1	A Taliban landmine takes out two people, including a child.
2016.03.18	Iraq	Mosul	1	0	A gentleman's head is removed by the Islamic State.
2016.03.18	Syria	Aleppo	2	3	Two children, a boy and a girl, are reduced to pulp by a series of Sunni rockets on their neighborhood.
2016.03.17	Iraq	Fallujah	6	0	Six men are executed in barbaric fashion by the Islamic State, including one whose head is blown off with explosives.
2016.03.17	Pakistan	Smagal	4	0	A woman and her child are among four souls obliterated by a suicide bomber.
2016.03.17	Niger	Dolbel	3	3	Three guards at a market are shot to death point blank by Jihadis.
2016.03.17	Niger	Diffa	1	2	Four suicide bombers manage to kill one other person.
2016.03.17	Philippines	Sarangani	1	0	A 43-year-old man is beheaded by a pro-caliphate group.
2016.03.17	Egypt	Rafah	5	10	Five are killed when religious extremists attack a local military base.
2016.03.17	Iraq	Hamidat	1	0	Radicals put a rival imam against a wall and shoot him to death.
2016.03.17	Thailand	Pattani	1	0	A 53-year-old guard at a school is shot to death by Muslim militants.
2016.03.16	Pakistan	Peshawar	15	30	Fifteen people are torn to shreds when Lashkar-e-Islam bomb a bus carrying commuters.
2016.03.16	Nigeria	Maiduguri	18	35	Two female suicide bombers slaughter two dozen worshippers at a rival mosque.
2016.03.15	Iraq	Qwar	9	17	An ISIS chlorine gas attack kills nine Kurds.
2016.03.15	Afghanistan	Hajiabad	4	0	Women and children are among four civilians exterminated by Taliban bombers.
2016.03.15	Thailand	Pattani	1	0	Suspected terrorists shoot a young woman twice in the head at a market.
2016.03.15	Philippines	Patikul	2	0	Abu Sayyaf members ambush and kill two local soldiers.
2016.03.15	Afghanistan	Laghman	1	1	Sharia state proponents ambush and kill an off-duty police officer.
2016.03.14	Afghanistan	Kandahar	1	0	A woman is shot to death by the Taliban.
2016.03.14	Nigeria	Chul	3	7	Three civilians are taken out by a Boko Haram bomb blast.
2016.03.14	Nigeria	Huyum	1	1	Islamic gunmen kill a woman and shoot a child in the leg.
2016.03.14	Iraq	Zankurah	22	16	Twenty-two Iraqis are killed during an assault by the Islamic State.
2016.03.14	Canada	Toronto, ON	0	2	A man stabs two soldiers at a recruiting center, saying that he was just following Allah's instructions.
2016.03.14	Syria	Busayrah	1	0	A young man is shot in the head for 'mocking religion'.
2016.03.14	Bangladesh	Jhenaidah	1	0	Radical Muslims assassinate a 'polytheist apostate' (ie Shia cleric).
2016.03.14	Iraq	Ramadi	25	20	ISIS suicide bombers massacre over two dozen in attacks on two villages.
2016.03.14	Iraq	Mosul	6	0	Six young people are rounded up and executed by the caliphate.
2016.03.14	Egypt	al-Arish	2	0	Two Egyptians are picked off by fundamentalist snipers.
2016.03.13	Iraq	Tal Kasab	8	22	Suicide bomb attacks leave eight dead.
2016.03.13	Iraq	Sinjar	7	11	ISIS pour shells into a Yazidi village, killing seven residents.
2016.03.13	Afghanistan	Yengi Qala	2	0	A young couple is murdered over suspected sexual activity.
2016.03.13	Ivory Coast	Bassam	18	17	al-Qaeda gunmen assault a hotel and murder anyone refusing to praise Allah with them. The eighteen killed include a 5-year-old Christian who was cut down while praying.
2016.03.12	Iraq	Mahmoudiyah	2	7	Mujahid bombers kill two patrons at a market.
2016.03.12	Iraq	Munsiyah	7	0	Three women are among seven people murdered in their home by sectarian militia.
2016.03.12	Afghanistan	Khanashin	1	3	A child is disassembled by Taliban bombers.
2016.03.11	Ingushetia	Nazran	0	4	'Problems in the religious sphere' result in a car bomb blast outside a mosque.
2016.03.11	Pakistan	Kohistan	2	0	A couple is shot to death for 'illicit relations'.
2016.03.11	Iraq	Sheikhan	11	2	Two ISIS rockets claim the lives of eleven Iraqis.
2016.03.11	Iraq	Sinjar	5	3	Five Kurds are laid out by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2016.03.10	Nigeria	Tarka	3	0	Fulani mercenaries kill three villagers and burn their homes.
2016.03.10	Libya	Misrata	3	0	Three police are killed when ISIS members attack a checkpoint.
2016.03.10	Iraq	Mosul	3	0	Three Kurds are beheaded by caliphate members.
2016.03.10	Syria	Deir Ezzor	2	0	A poet and his son are murdered by the Islamic State.
2016.03.10	Syria	Wilayat al-Khayr	1	0	A man is forced by ISIS to climb a radio tower, from which he is shot off.
2016.03.10	Syria	Wilayat al-Khayr	2	0	The Islamic State executes two terrified men by blowing them up.
2016.03.09	Iraq	Husseiniya	1	6	Terrorists place a bomb under a bus that kills a passenger.
2016.03.09	Thailand	Narathiwat	2	3	Muslim terrorists murder two members of a guard patrol for teachers.
2016.03.09	Iraq	Taza	1	1500	A 3-year-old girl dies from an ISIS chemical attack that left hundreds injured.
2016.03.09	Nigeria	Benue	8	0	Fulani mercenaries invade four villages in the middle of the night, shooting at least eight residents to death.
2016.03.09	Afghanistan	Gereshk	4	30	A Taliban suicide assault on a government building leaves four guards dead.
2016.03.09	Somalia	Mogadishu	4	2	Four people bleed out following a suicide car bombing outside a café.
2016.03.08	Uruguay	Paysandu	1	0	A Jewish man is stabbed to death by a Muslim convert 'following Allah's order'…
2016.03.08	Iraq	al-Hadar	4	0	Four sex slaves are executed for trying to escape captivity in the caliphate.
2016.03.08	Iraq	Baghdad	3	7	Three people are left dead following a Mujahideen bombing.
2016.03.08	Thailand	Si Sakhon	1	0	A man on a motorcycle is ambushed and killed by Muslim terrorists.
2016.03.08	Turkey	Kilis	2	1	A 4-year-old and his mother die when Sunni extremists hit their car with a rocket.
2016.03.08	Israel	Jaffa	1	15	Palestinians stab an American tourist to death.
2016.03.08	Afghanistan	Maiwand	2	0	Two men clearing landmines are executed by suspected fundamentalists.
2016.03.08	Syria	Aleppo	1	0	Devout Muslims implement the 'Rule of Allah' by shooting an 'apostate' in the head.
2016.03.08	Thailand	Tak Bai	1	0	A Muslim 'insurgent' walks up to a man in a crowd and fires a bullet into the back of his head.
2016.03.08	Iraq	Fallujah	50	0	Fifty civilians are executed by the Islamic State.
2016.03.07	Iraq	Kirkuk	5	0	Five young people are torn to shreds by an ISIS bomb blast.
2016.03.07	Pakistan	Orangi Town	2	0	A young couple is shot to death by conservative relatives for marrying of their own free will.
2016.03.07	Iraq	Abu Ghraib	3	7	Three people at a market are sectionalized by a Jihadi bomb blast.
2016.03.07	Tunisia	Ben Guerdane	19	17	A 12-year-old girl is among nineteen others who lose their lives during an Islamist assault on a small town.
2016.03.07	Somalia	Beledweyne	0	6	A bomb hidden in a laptop detonates at an airport.
2016.03.07	Pakistan	Shabqadar	17	30	A Jamatul Ahrar suicide bomber murders seventeen people at a courthouse, including two children.
2016.03.07	Afghanistan	Shindand	3	3	Three civilians are blown to bits by a Taliban bomb blast.
2016.03.07	Egypt	al-Arish	2	0	Two local cops are pulled into pieces by Muslim bombers.
2016.03.07	Syria	Hasakah	1	3	A woman loses her life to an ISIS explosive device.
2016.03.07	Chechnya	Grozny	1	0	Video surfaces showing religious radicals executing a man with a shot to the head.
2016.03.06	Iraq	al-Jahash	12	0	A dozen people are executed by a Sharia court.
2016.03.06	Iraq	Hillah	61	95	At least sixty people are incinerated when a suicide bomber in a fuel tanker detonates outside a town.
2016.03.06	Syria	Aleppo	14	40	Jaish-al-Sunna terrorists send mortars and rockets into a busy market, massacring over a dozen shoppers.
2016.03.06	Egypt	Sheikh Zuweid	3	0	Fundamentalists ambush an ambulance and machine-gun a medic and two injured patients.
2016.03.05	Syria	Jarablus	1	0	A teen is beheaded for apostasy after missing Friday prayers.
2016.03.05	Yemen	Aden	2	0	Sectarian terrorists fire on a vehicle, killing two occupants.
2016.03.04	Yemen	Aden	16	0	Militant Muslims storm a Catholic retirement home and murder sixteen, including four nuns and the elderly residents.
2016.03.03	Iraq	Abu Ghraib	2	10	Two civilians are killed when terrorists sent mortar shells into a market.
2016.03.03	Syria	Kafriya	1	3	Sunni militants machine-gun a civilian in his home.
2016.03.03	Libya	Surman	2	0	Two Italian hostages are killed while being used as human shields by ISIS.
2016.03.03	Thailand	Yala	1	0	Militant Muslims shoot a rubber tapper to death, then set his body on fire.
2016.03.02	Iraq	Hawija	6	0	Six people are beheaded and crucified by the Islamic State.
2016.03.02	Afghanistan	Jalalabad	2	19	Four suicide bombers target the Indian consulate, killing two civilians.
2016.03.02	Egypt	Khariza	1	3	An Islamist bomb claims one life.
2016.03.02	Iraq	Nineveh	5	0	A 12-year-old girl is forced by the caliphate to execute five women, including a doctor.
2016.03.02	Syria	Quneitra	18	30	Two suicide bombers massacre eighteen bystanders.
2016.03.01	Philippines	Datu Salibo	1	2	Bangsamoro Islamists kill one other person during an ambush.
2016.03.01	Philippines	Zamboanga	2	0	An assassination attempt on an anti-ISIS preacher outside a university hall leaves two dead.
2016.03.01	Pakistan	Noorshah	2	0	Two women are murdered over 'doubts about their character and lifestyles'.
2016.03.01	Pakistan	Peshawar	2	4	Two employees at the US consulate bleed to death following an Islamist bombing.
2016.03.01	Afghanistan	Pul-e-Khumri	3	2	Religious extremists hit a house with a rocket, killing three family members.
2016.03.01	Pakistan	Sheikhupura	1	0	An Ahmadi religious minority is stabbed to death for his faith.
2016.03.01	Somalia	Alamada	5	8	An al-Shabaab bomb produces five dead bodies.
2016.03.01	Egypt	al-Arish	2	0	Fundamentalists behead a man and shoot his son to death.
2016.03.01	Iraq	Haditha	8	8	Eight Iraqis are blown up by four Fedayeen suicide bombers.
2016.02.29	Afghanistan	Uruzgan	4	3	Four locals are shot to death by the Taliban
2016.02.29	Iraq	Mosul	24	0	Two dozen Iraqis are rounded up and executed by the Islamic State.
2016.02.29	Iraq	Muqdadiya	40	58	A Fedayeen suicide bomber detonates at a funeral, sending at least forty mourners straight into their own afterlife.
2016.02.29	Iraq	Hawija	3	0	Three youth are beheaded for putting up anti-ISIS posters.
2016.02.29	Yemen	Aden	4	5	A Shahid suicide bomber snuffs out four other souls.
2016.02.29	DRC	Ntombi	13	0	Four women are among thirteen villagers found hacked to pieces by ADF Islamists.
2016.02.29	Nigeria	Badarawa	15	22	Suspected Boko Haram surround a group of villagers gathered to watch a video and pour machine gun fire into them, killing at least fifteen.
2016.02.29	Syria	Deir ez-Zor	3	0	Three men are crucified by a Sharia court for crimes against Allah.
2016.02.29	Russia	Moscow	1	0	A woman beheads a child, saying that it was revenge for 'spilled Muslim blood' in Syria.
2016.02.29	Iraq	Mosul	2	0	Two religious clerics are murdered by their more radical brethren
2016.02.29	Afghanistan	Farah	3	3	Three children are disassembled by a Taliban IED.

Freeman

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Watchtower December 15th issue caught lying again!
by freeman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
watchtower caught lying again in the december 15th article “a living translation of god's word”.

more like a lying then a living translation of god”s word if you ask me.

but i digress... .

freeman

Watchtower caught lying again in the December 15th article “A Living Translation Of God's Word”. More like a lying then a living translation of God”s word if you ask me. But I digress...

So anyway my jw wife left this litter on the coffee table and a saw that it had an article about the the revised NWT so I perused it a bit. A quick look through the rag and bong I spotted the . . . ellipsis. I said to myself, could it be, oh no, not again. Do they really still use that old trick to deceive people?

Curiosity got the better of me so I put the words before the ellipsis into Google and sure enough, my goodness,they were being deceitful once again. They just can't help themselves!

I tell you the internet is their worst nightmare. Google is an ellipsis trick killer!

They were using the infamous ellipsis trick once again to make someone else appear to be saying something they never really said so as to make them look bad, and themselves look better. This time the Watchtower attacks were focused on the Revised Standard Version of the bible and it's translators.

Waxing on about how wonderful and superior the rNWT is compared to other bible translations mainly because it includes the divine name Jehovah while other versions such as the RSV has blatantly removed it without cause and supposedly quoting from the preface: "The preface says: The use of any proper name for the one and only God . . . is entirely inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church".

Of course the writers of the RSV never said that in the preface of their bible. Here is a snippet including the words between the . . . ellipsis that they really did say including why they don't use the supposed divine name:

The form "Jehovah" is of late medieval origin; it is a combination of the consonants of the Divine Name and the vowels attached to it by the Masoretes but belonging to an entirely different word. The sound of Y is represented by J and the sound of W by V, as in Latin. For two reasons the Committee has returned to the more familiar usage of the King James Version: (1) the word "Jehovah" does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew; and (2) the use of any proper name for the one and only God, as though there were other gods from whom He had to be distinguished, was discontinued in Judaism before the Christian era and is entirely inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church.

The entire preface found here: http://www.ncccusa.org/newbtu/aboutrsv.html

So they try to make the writers of the RSV look like they have no respect for God when in fact they have the utmost respect, not wanting to use an invented name that clearly never was associated God until medieval times. They don't need to deceptively misquote others to puff themselves up, but the dark tower does.

I so hate this cult and how it holds my dear wife in bondage.

Freeman

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NWT...how accurate?
by Theburstbubble in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i'm sorry if i'm covering old ground here.

but is the nwt bible a credible translation of the scriptures?

i'm not asking if you believe in the bible or not.
freeman

I find myself in the uncomfortable position of defending the NWT. I think it's a decent translation in some respects.

After about 4 ½ years of study of New Testament Greek I can say that the majority of passages in the NT portion of the NWT are rendered more or less correctly.

That said, there is an important caveat concerning the accuracy of their translation, and it is this: They render the Greek into English accurately as long as the passage in question does not undermine their overriding theology. In other words, they tell the truth until they get cornered and then they lie their ass off.

It's really funny reading it in the Greek and seeing them translate the same construct of words correctly except when they get to a passage that conflicts with their teaching, and sometimes this happens on the same page or chapter of a particular NT book, it is amazing.

So their ya go. It's just my opinion, but I think it's a decent translation except for all the lies. :-)
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