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WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

by flipper in

i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

flipper

OUBLIETTE- I agree that it's important to educate children to " say " No ! " to anything that make them uncomfortable and to tell their parents about it " . Yes- I'm on the same page with you there. Bit I do not agree that using a cartoon format with blobby looking characters running around in fictitious settings in animated form does one bit of good in driving home the REALITY and DANGER of child abuse to either children OR adults. It minimizes or trivializes the dangers.

Of course you and I both realize and know from having been long time JW's at one time that Anthony Morris and the rest of the GB aren't going to admit errors or mistakes they have made regarding ANY child abuse issues within the JW organization. These men just don't apologize or even ADMIT that there's a child abuse problem within the WT organization. Too much arrogance within them. They will never admit it. I mean Stephen Lett in May thought it was "crazy " that people accuse the WT Society of being " soft " on child abuse. He said, " Can you imagine that " ? These WT leaders will never admit fault - ever.

I agree with you that elders should be required to be mandated reporters and turn these child abuse issues over to people that are properly trained to deal with it. That is what SHOULD happen. But it won't. Because the GB thinks it knows better than any " worldly " authority dealing with ANY problem. Too much arrogance, too much pride, and too many dark secrets to be revealed if they allow " worldly " authorities inside their good sized " pedophile protection " program and computer records that are kept under lock and key. That is what we are facing here with the WT leaders

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WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

by flipper in

i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

flipper

I commented on this on another thread- but I believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself. At the current District Convention as you know the WT Society released a " Sophie & Caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse. They don't really USE the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a CARTOON !

And the CARTOON portrayal is what has my blood boiling here. They portray the molester as some kind of a half ass blob that looks like the Tasmanian Devil from the Warner Brother cartoons. Then they show him reaching his hand out to the children in the video going " ohhgh,ahh " with his hand grabbing for them. I mean it's a freaking joke. It's like the JW children will think it's some kind of entertaining fictitious horror film that they can make light of and joke about. Get real GB ! Jesus.

If the WT Society was REALLY serious about warning parents about the REAL dangers of crimes like child abuse they would use real humans as real actors in a REAL portrayal of what really happens when a pedophile or child molester threatens a child. A portrayal like that would be real where it would show the seriousness of the danger of REAL child abuse and portray it as the crime it is- not some half ass cartoon. Like threatening to do harm to the child's parents if the victim doesn't keep quiet- something that really happens- not a blob running around that threatens kids that looks like some kind of Jabba the hut . The WT Society is TOTALLY minimizing the REAL danger of criminal child abuse- almost making a joke out of it by showing it in cartoon form !

I mean - think about it- here you have a billion $$$ organization that has had countless child abuse lawsuits brought against it and they've paid out millions $$$ in damages to JW child victims - and the best they can do is come up with a fictitious cartoon that portrays child molesters as the Tasmanian freaking Devil from Warner brothers ? I mean- young children will probably find it entertaining - but real adults should be appalled at the minimizing of such a serious crime in society and how it is being displayed here. It shows me that WT leaders look at child abuse as some kind of a joke as well- they don't take it seriously and to show it in animated form as they do is almost a slap in the face of ALL victims of child abuse.

Now I am even MORE motivated to share News printouts of WT child abuse scandals with JW cart people in my hometown. WT leaders, these bastards need to have some REAL put into their reality. And so do their JW members. Spread the word. How do you feel about this ? Look forward to your comments

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Anthony Morris III goes on an eight minute rant over child abuse

by Richard_I in

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friends

this is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.

link to video.

i'm writing a transcript right now.

flipper

This " Sophie & Caleb " video the WT has released at this assembly allegedly addressing child abuse is probably the most juvenile, stupid, ridiculous thing I've seen them do yet.

I mean, let's be real here. First off- it TOTALLY minimizes the REAL dangers of child abuse by portraying a cartoon, animated child abuser as some kind of a fictitious Warner Brothers Tasmanian Devil running around who looks like a blob going " ooohgh, ahhh " with an outreached hand to grab the kids ! What the hell is THAT supposed to be ?

If the WT Society was REALLY serious about warning parents about child abusers among them they'd get REAL humans as REAL actors in a REAL portrayal of what happens in actual child abuse threatening situations and show how real human pedophiles ( not cartoon monsters ) threaten children and even show them threatening to harm their parents if the child said something about the abuse. THAT would be real where the impact of the REAL seriousness of this child abuse crime would be driven home. But by using cartoon characters this is just so destructive and minimizes or makes a joke really out of a VERY serious crime. Shame on the WT Society. Shame on the GB. A criminal organization making light of a very serious crime

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Anthony Morris III goes on an eight minute rant over child abuse

by Richard_I in

jw
friends

this is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.

link to video.

i'm writing a transcript right now.

flipper

This is nothing but BS damage control by Morris as ordered by the WT legal department most probably. The Caleb " fictitious monster " child abuse video is nothing but damage control as well. I mean WHY call a potential child molester a " fictitious monster " - why not just call this person what he is in the video - a child molester ? I swear to god- it's like Morris and these videos treat these cult mind controlled JW's like they are BABIES still sucking their mommies ninnies !

I mean come on ! If you GB members are going to treat each and every JW like babies, hand out pacifiers as they enter the district convention grounds for Christ's sakes ! All this is - is a criminal organization trying to cover it's own legal ass by claiming they had a " landmark " article in the Awake back in 1982 so therefore as Morris said, " we have been actively making people aware of the dangers " for all those years. Yeah, right. While on the other side of the coin you've been actively concealing and hiding child abuse happening towards minor children all these years.

This REALLY motivates me to go out and talk to more of the JW cart people in my little town with my WT child abuse Candace Conti news printouts. Morris is a bold faced liar. And he knows it. You can see it on his face

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A difficult yet necessary decision

by Brother Jeramy in

the past five weeks have been perhaps the most painful in my life as a witness.. some months ago a young man (i'd say in his late thirties or early forties) began attending meetings at my kingdom hall.

he had just moved to my area from another state.

he had disassociated himself from his home congregation many years back, when he was 20 years old and going through many of the typical trials and temptations most young men experience.. two of the elders met with him initially, and they later shared the details with the body of elders.

flipper

BROTHER JERAMY - Apology accepted. Don't sweat it. Anything you said before the scales fell from your eyes had nothing to do with reality - and everything to do with the WT cult mind control you were under the influence from. We've all been there. I was born and raised in the JW organization just like you - in from birth until age 44 - when I exited 12 years ago. It truly is a life changing experience to realize the truth about the alleged "truth" and it takes some time to adjust to a new life where freedom of mind is yours to be cherished and to realize that we CAN trust our instincts. Congratulations on trusting your instincts and intuition regarding your young friend being unjustly treated. He's lucky to have a friend like you. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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My wife , Son and DIL living with us ,have still not acknowledged my birthday today @ 5:15 pm , I might have to drop them a subtle hint.

by smiddy in

i know being a witness for 33 years and not celebrating b/days you do lose the habit , but i thought one of them would have remembered ?

oh well .. maybe i will just rub it in with them tomorrow .make them feel guilty , eh ?.

then again i might just start singing "76 trombones" at the dinner table tonight .

flipper

Happy Birthday Smiddy ! Hope you have a great one ! Have fun ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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There is No Reason to be Afraid!! ( of Freedom )

by kairos in

jw
friends

thinking of leaving the jws for good is frightening.engaging a quality fade is nerve racking!there can be horrible consequences that can leave one shunned.even the most careful fade can be undone by many means and loved ones.. one must weigh the consequences of leaving with true freedom.yes, that kind.

where you always make the decisions in your own life.. no need to be reckless and wild to destruction.

be like almost everyone else in society that enjoys life to the full and looks out for their fellow.look around you at happy, friendly people in your community.

flipper

The other thing I really value is living a REAL LIFE as Kairos mentions in his thread. One of the problems with the Jehovah's Witnesses is they always use this expression " the life we are living right now isn't the REAL life, the real life comes in Paradise ". I mean, it's ridiculous. If I pinch myself right now- I hurt. If I cut my arm. I bleed- seems pretty damn real to me ! So JW's are manipulated in their minds to cheapen their view of living in the " here and now " - and are ALWAYS pointing to the future time in " Paradise " when they will live a " real " life. So since they disrespect the here and now- view it as NOT important is it any surprise in how they treat outside people who they think will be destroyed or even treat each other ?

So living in REALITY has been a great thing, a real blessing for me. I no longer fear a fictitious " Armageddon " because it ain't going to happen folks. None of us have to live in fear or guilt anymore because the big, bad dream is NOT true. Go live your life and live it happily and well. It's our best revenge on what the JW organization tried to steal away from us- our freedom and our minds . Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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BBC Radio 4. The Report. ''Jehovah's Witnesses and Child Sexual Abuse''. Thursday 9th July 8pm.

by ThomasCovenant in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0612hjs

flipper

THOMAS- Thanks for informing us here about it on the board. I will try to download the program and listen to it. The more public broadcastings we have on any media level the more WT Society will be exposed to the public regarding unjust child abuse policies. Good job

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How do you feel about exJW's who resist our efforts to effect change?

by nicolaou in

i've met a few.

i'm not talking about the jw who, whether df'd or not, falls off the radar and just gets on with living a normal life - good luck to them and may there be many more!.

i mean the former jehovah's witness who is now enjoying all the benefits of a cult free life thanks to the efforts of many bloggers, posters and activists, but is critical of the efforts of someone close them to free more jws.

flipper

NICOLAOU- Very good thread, good discussion topic. I have experienced the very same thing that you have my friend. My niece who has been out of the Witnesses since 1998 when she was 18 wouldn't directly criticize me for trying to open JW's eyes- but her view was that she respected the JW's right to decide what course they wanted to take the same way she wanted to be left alone by them to pursue the course SHE wanted to take.

And I really DO get that reasoning in some ex-JW's and more power to them. However- that being said - I agree with you that it doesn't mean that many of us who WANT to assist JW's to see how they are being mind controlled should be criticized for wanting to help people. As my niece stated JW's have DECIDED to make these decisions to stay- but my theory is that " no, they really HAVEN"T decided on their OWN to stay- they have been conned into staying or coerced to stay by cult mind control and manipulation . " And as time has gone on - my niece has seen that what I've been telling her is true. And she is seeing just how MUCH JW's and WE ourselves were manipulated in our minds as Witnesses . And now she accepts more so that I'm on this board and trying to assist people to see the injustices within the WT Society and open peoples eyes.

As Scully stated there is a right way to do it - not by knocking JW's over the head like Rick Ferron did all the time, but an ex-JW can make really good points with JW's to get them to think as long as we leave them with their dignity intact and don't become too combative just for the sake of becoming combative- if you get my drift.

There are ways to get our points across without causing huge fights which causes us to just be pissing in the wind anyway because then JW's get so defensive we don't accomplish anything but a waste of time and arguments. If it gets to that point when I'm talking to JW's I won't waste my time for hours and hours- I just excuse myself and say " you need to look at the facts and information on the Internet to inform yourself ". Then leave.

Interesting thread, thanks for posting it ! I think it's important for those of us who WANT to speak to JW's to help that we maintain our courage to do so . It doesn't matter what naysayers may think- what matters is caring and helping people

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There is No Reason to be Afraid!! ( of Freedom )

by kairos in

jw
friends

thinking of leaving the jws for good is frightening.engaging a quality fade is nerve racking!there can be horrible consequences that can leave one shunned.even the most careful fade can be undone by many means and loved ones.. one must weigh the consequences of leaving with true freedom.yes, that kind.

where you always make the decisions in your own life.. no need to be reckless and wild to destruction.

be like almost everyone else in society that enjoys life to the full and looks out for their fellow.look around you at happy, friendly people in your community.

flipper

KAIROS- Great thread topic- really well written indeed. I think that's a fair appraisal of the situation- many of us DID go through HELL, er , Gehenna to exit this high control organization. But as you say - the price we pay is TOTALLY worth it. The thing I cherish the most in my 12 years out after escaping " witch " mountain ( WT mountain ) is like you state the freedom of mind to decide for myself how my life will go ! Some of us who were born-ins ( my JW parents became JW's 8 years before I was born ) had absolutely no choice in the matter for the first 18 years of our life. For many folks that's almost 25 % of your life ! So it does indeed take a TREMENDOUS amount of courage to take the chance of moving forward in life away from the cult when you know a nuclear fallout will occur with JW family relationships - whether it's adult children like I have or siblings, parents , spouses or whomever.

I was 44 years old when I exited almost 12 years ago and aside from marrying Mrs. Flipper 9 years ago- it's the best decision I ever made in my life. I'm able to pursue hobbies and interests that I never had the time for and even pursue earning a little more money in my business without being made to feel I'm being " materialistic " when I'm just trying to get by, pay the bills , and feed my family ! We are the owners of our own destiny. We don't have to give away our power to anybody anymore without our consent ! Freedom kicks ass totally.

Although I hope my adult daughters some day exit the JW organization - I do have my son out and we are close . And nephews and nieces who are now out of the cult. So we all will be there for any other JW relatives who decide to exit in their own time- however we won't sacrifice our freedom of mind to go back and pretend to be a JW just to have a " fake " relationship where we wouldn't be happy anyway . Our JW relatives may some day respect us more if we stick to our guns and by living a happy, successful, good life it will make them wonder HOW we are able to do it without the JW organization. Cause them a little cognizant dissonance ! Anyway- Kind of how I see it ! I'm glad you have your freedom of mind Kairos and I'm glad to be a friend . Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper