DesirousofChange, Compound Complex, I grew up hearing my dad say he would most like see the end in his lifetime. Then it changed to "I still hope I will see the end in my lifetime." As of about 5 years ago, I don't even think he says that anymore.....
Hermano
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Is the FDS losing control?
by Hermano ini believe there is growing unrest amongst jws.
they may not be very cohesive or organized, but the rigorous demands for obedience coming from the leadership and the unbending, never ending list of rules, not to mention the end that has been ever so-close for so long yet never climaxes, has a lot of jws frustrated.. don't get me wrong.
i know there are some jws that will hang in there no matter what they're told to do and will obey without question.
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Website by MODERATE JWs who recognize issues with the religion
by Hermano infound this website this weekend by jws who recognize there are issues within the organization and are calling for change.
this is the type of forum moderate jws needs, imho.
glad to see moderate jws are out there and are doing something.. http://www.jwreform.org/.
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I'm not going to hold my breath Room 215. However I love the idea of average Witnesses calling for reform, not because I'm naive about the chances of reform happening, but because it shows average Witnesses know something is not right. Not all of them will leave, but some will eventually find out the religion has more to do with control than with pleasing God.
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Is the FDS losing control?
by Hermano ini believe there is growing unrest amongst jws.
they may not be very cohesive or organized, but the rigorous demands for obedience coming from the leadership and the unbending, never ending list of rules, not to mention the end that has been ever so-close for so long yet never climaxes, has a lot of jws frustrated.. don't get me wrong.
i know there are some jws that will hang in there no matter what they're told to do and will obey without question.
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The JW kids down here are ignoring the "no-college" instructions.
I agree, snowbird. The more of these stupid rules they come up with, the more cultish they appear. I got a feeling even JWs on the inside are starting to notice the leadership is sounding a bit wacky lately. I'm not saying they're ready for an uprising. I'm just saying they seem to know it's best to ignore some things come from the leaders.
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Is the FDS losing control?
by Hermano ini believe there is growing unrest amongst jws.
they may not be very cohesive or organized, but the rigorous demands for obedience coming from the leadership and the unbending, never ending list of rules, not to mention the end that has been ever so-close for so long yet never climaxes, has a lot of jws frustrated.. don't get me wrong.
i know there are some jws that will hang in there no matter what they're told to do and will obey without question.
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I think the next decade will see a massive loss in those who are under 25.
I definetely see shrinkage but I too believe that people like my parents will NEVER leave no matter what.
Thanks for your input Jemba. They know they have a problem with their youth. That's why they are directly targetting them now with the new DVD.
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Is the FDS losing control?
by Hermano ini believe there is growing unrest amongst jws.
they may not be very cohesive or organized, but the rigorous demands for obedience coming from the leadership and the unbending, never ending list of rules, not to mention the end that has been ever so-close for so long yet never climaxes, has a lot of jws frustrated.. don't get me wrong.
i know there are some jws that will hang in there no matter what they're told to do and will obey without question.
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a lot of JWs who know something is seriously wrong feel that there's nowhere else to go.
Agreed, Ding. At least they know something is wrong though. Maybe they'll do some research and find out how much is wrong.
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Is the FDS losing control?
by Hermano ini believe there is growing unrest amongst jws.
they may not be very cohesive or organized, but the rigorous demands for obedience coming from the leadership and the unbending, never ending list of rules, not to mention the end that has been ever so-close for so long yet never climaxes, has a lot of jws frustrated.. don't get me wrong.
i know there are some jws that will hang in there no matter what they're told to do and will obey without question.
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Many and I mean many a JW elder and ms when they should be setting the example, are not obeying WT when it comes to the amount of time spent with d'fd children and other d'fd family members.
(2) WT tells servant body to show up on time for meeting for field service. Many show up 10 to 15 minutes late to avoid having to conduct the meeting.
There are tons of other examples of not obeying on the part of servant body alone, in essence telling WT.... go to hell!And that, is good news, JW GoneBad.
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Is the FDS losing control?
by Hermano ini believe there is growing unrest amongst jws.
they may not be very cohesive or organized, but the rigorous demands for obedience coming from the leadership and the unbending, never ending list of rules, not to mention the end that has been ever so-close for so long yet never climaxes, has a lot of jws frustrated.. don't get me wrong.
i know there are some jws that will hang in there no matter what they're told to do and will obey without question.
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They are always going to have a percentage that they can't control to the extent they would like. You can tell the areas where they are having trouble by the WT mags, usually the study articles in the kool aid edition.
The big areas I've noticed in the last few years are women marrying out of the Org, porn, going to college, people not listening to the elders, people talking to DF'd relatives either in person or "social networks" and APOSTASY.
They should be concerned LostGeneration. Is it just me or is meeting attendance and field service participation down?
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Hermano
Fernando seems to think you're losing control of the rank and file. Can you confirm or deny?
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Is the FDS losing control?
by Hermano ini believe there is growing unrest amongst jws.
they may not be very cohesive or organized, but the rigorous demands for obedience coming from the leadership and the unbending, never ending list of rules, not to mention the end that has been ever so-close for so long yet never climaxes, has a lot of jws frustrated.. don't get me wrong.
i know there are some jws that will hang in there no matter what they're told to do and will obey without question.
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Hermano
It may grow more slowly, or even shrink slightly because of those that leave
I would consider that a success respectful_observer. Remember, the JW that leaves may be one of your loved ones. The family that is reunited may be your own.
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Is the FDS losing control?
by Hermano ini believe there is growing unrest amongst jws.
they may not be very cohesive or organized, but the rigorous demands for obedience coming from the leadership and the unbending, never ending list of rules, not to mention the end that has been ever so-close for so long yet never climaxes, has a lot of jws frustrated.. don't get me wrong.
i know there are some jws that will hang in there no matter what they're told to do and will obey without question.
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It would take something really big, much bigger than the Candace Conti affair, and much closer to home, to wake up the majority of U.K. JWs.
Thanks for the feedback, George. I agree the key for many is something that hits close to home. It's one thing to read about abuse and another altogether to experience it first hand, or to have someone close to you experience it.