Sounds to me like the OP is suggesting their lies can be used against them. Sounds like a great idea to me.
Hermano
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Will they get rid of the FDS concept?
by Hermano inwhat do they need the fds concept for?
it's a weak idea, based on one scripture which is a rhetorical question.
they've already published several articles indicating that just because you are annointed doesn't mean you have any special insight, so they've already disconnected annointed from leadership.
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Yeah, but think back: when JWs knocked at your door, did you have the foresight to ask them about the scriptural basis for their leaders to lead, even before you knew who they were?
I was born-in, so I can't answer that question. For me, it was all a given. Even the things I questioned, I sought answers for in the Watchtower publications. But if I had to try to explain it to someone else, I would not have gone with that scripture first because even then I understood that scripture wasn't clear/strong enough.
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Will they get rid of the FDS concept?
by Hermano inwhat do they need the fds concept for?
it's a weak idea, based on one scripture which is a rhetorical question.
they've already published several articles indicating that just because you are annointed doesn't mean you have any special insight, so they've already disconnected annointed from leadership.
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Hermano
LOL @ Outlaw and Wasblind.
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Will they get rid of the FDS concept?
by Hermano inwhat do they need the fds concept for?
it's a weak idea, based on one scripture which is a rhetorical question.
they've already published several articles indicating that just because you are annointed doesn't mean you have any special insight, so they've already disconnected annointed from leadership.
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with no FDS concept they have no justification for those old men being the voice of God
Seems to me the FDS argument is the weakest scriptural support for their authority. (At least from the perspective of someone who is not indoctrinated and trying to be logical.) They could do away with this weak scriptural support and still maintain their authority via other arguments. Their claim to authority it not based solely on Jesus's FDS rhetorical question.
Perhaps from the mindset of someone still in, however, the FDS argument is a very appealing one. But even then, it is not the only argument presented to support the Governing Body's authority.
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Will they get rid of the FDS concept?
by Hermano inwhat do they need the fds concept for?
it's a weak idea, based on one scripture which is a rhetorical question.
they've already published several articles indicating that just because you are annointed doesn't mean you have any special insight, so they've already disconnected annointed from leadership.
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Hermano
So many people on this forum are concerned with doctrine, the Bible and what it all means.
The average JW, certainly in my congregation, never talk about such things. It is a social club. They meet up for coffee field service, the kids play together, quite a few of the brothers work together. You could count on one hand, with fingers to spare, how many in the congregation could even explain what the WTS concept of the FDS or GB even is. Ask about the generation idea and they would be blank. You cannot imagine how dead a WT study, such as last weeks is!
I second that, St. George. When they changed the "door to heaven closed in 1935" doctrine I thought it would be a big deal. It wasn't. When it comes to the JW religion, the average apostate knows way more than the average JW.
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Will they get rid of the FDS concept?
by Hermano inwhat do they need the fds concept for?
it's a weak idea, based on one scripture which is a rhetorical question.
they've already published several articles indicating that just because you are annointed doesn't mean you have any special insight, so they've already disconnected annointed from leadership.
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Hermano
If they do away with this, the whole pyramid will come crashing down.
I dont know about that truthseeker. How many JW's today know or care that the FDS concept is also linked to God choosing them in 1919?
The can always lean on Jesus choosing 12 disciples to continue the work after him, and just as Paul and Barnabas went to the elders in Jerusalem to seek guidance on the circumcision issue, today the GB are modern day elders of Jerusalem.
As has been pointed out, there is no reason to do this, but I don't believe the whole pyramid will come crashing down because of it. I've got to hand it to them, they have quite a robust series of ideas to maintain their grip on the "publishers".
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Will they get rid of the FDS concept?
by Hermano inwhat do they need the fds concept for?
it's a weak idea, based on one scripture which is a rhetorical question.
they've already published several articles indicating that just because you are annointed doesn't mean you have any special insight, so they've already disconnected annointed from leadership.
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Hermano
Unfortunately, you're assuming that cults operate under the principles of logic and transparency!!
Cedars, the problem is I'm on the outside looking in. When I was in I believed it without thinking about it. Now I think about it and wonder how those who are still in believe it!
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Will they get rid of the FDS concept?
by Hermano inwhat do they need the fds concept for?
it's a weak idea, based on one scripture which is a rhetorical question.
they've already published several articles indicating that just because you are annointed doesn't mean you have any special insight, so they've already disconnected annointed from leadership.
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Hermano
Guess you guys are right.
I was just thinking this morning about what a ridiculous idea it is. And how weak the scriptural support for it is. But really not any more ridiculous than a lot of other ideas which at one time I completely believe and defended. That's why I say once the blinders come off it's hard to think like someone who is still asleep.
So I take it the magazines and other indoctrination methods are still using FDS/Governing Body/Organization/God almost interchangeably?
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Will they get rid of the FDS concept?
by Hermano inwhat do they need the fds concept for?
it's a weak idea, based on one scripture which is a rhetorical question.
they've already published several articles indicating that just because you are annointed doesn't mean you have any special insight, so they've already disconnected annointed from leadership.
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Hermano
If anything I think the FDS will be folded into the GB completely, instead of the current teaching that it is all 'anointed'.
Ok, donuthole. I can see that happening. It's just that the scriptural support for FDS seems very shaky. It's ONE scripture, where Jesus asks a rhetorical question. Who knows what the hell he could've meant? Seems to me that having that as a foundation of authority is lame and weak. Why not just get rid of that argument altogether and stick with "we are the equivalent of the 12 disciples and Jerusalem council"? (And I know there are weaknesses there too, but at least it sounds ok at face value.)
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Will they get rid of the FDS concept?
by Hermano inwhat do they need the fds concept for?
it's a weak idea, based on one scripture which is a rhetorical question.
they've already published several articles indicating that just because you are annointed doesn't mean you have any special insight, so they've already disconnected annointed from leadership.
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Hermano
Just to clarify, I'm not talking about the leadership structure. I'm saying I dont think the rank and file buys the idea that: the 144,000 = the FDS = "providing food at proper time". Don't most of them know that really it's Governing Body = FDS = "providing food at proper time"? If so, then why not just get rid of the FDS idea and go with other scriptures which they use to justify the leadership structure. It just seems to me that the FDS idea is very shaky. Why is it needed at all?
Once you're awake, it's really hard to think like those who are still in....