Posts by Philippus79

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Watchtower deliberately lying?

by AllAlongTheWatchtower in

i remember a topic a couple months ago, something about whether the gb actually believed in what they taught.

other topics have been similar lately, and today i noticed the topic about google 'proving' that the wts deliberately lies.

but is it deliberate?

Philippus79

Besides what has already benn said about twisting doctrines and holding back the complete truth on matters, I can relate a story of a personal experience with a GB member. I suggest it was an outright lie, but I can't know for sure. Judge yourself:

My brother and I approach GB member Gerrit Lösch privately on one of his stays in his hometown in Austria and my brother asked him about the UN-NGO story. He gave the well known "official" librarypass answer and recited all the dteails you can find in the letter to the elders. This alone was not very honest. But we might consider that Loesch was not a member of the GB in 1992 when they joined. But then we asked him, well, what about the 11 - 13 different legal bodies of the WTS that where registered with the UN and what about the fact that the registry terms didn't change before 911, he answered: "You are the first one to tell me, I haven't heard about it." That was really then the end of the conversation since my brother was still an active JW. But this sentence might constitute a lie on an official matter given by an authorized GB member to an official JW.

Philippus

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Religions similar to JWs.

by LtCmd.Lore in

does anyone know of any religions that are very similar to jehovahs witnesses?.

it tends to come up in discussions with them a lot, they like to think that they are the only ones that don't believe in hell, the trinity, that jesus died on a stake, that they won't go to heaven, or stuff like that.

i could probaby just prove them wrong, but that would take forever and it would be a lot easier to just say: "you're not as unique as you think...".

Philippus79

Hi!

A church that springs off from th JW but has developed a much more sophisticated understanding based on the Bible are the "Lords' Witnesses". They also try to discern a grammatical biblecode which seems to make some sense.

A table comparing their doctrines to other major churches (plus JW *gg*) can be found here: http://www.truebiblecode.com/churches.html

Regards,

Philippus

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What is/was the last most believable date for second coming/Armageddon?

by AllAlongTheWatchtower in

i was never a witness, i joined this site after my wife started studying with them, and i got upset over some of the things that resulted from that.

however, i grew up in a similar high-control group called the worldwide church of god.

much like the witnesses, in the mid 70s ( i forget the exact year, i was only in elementary school in those days, but it may have been 75, just like jws), there was a big push toward the end being at hand, the great tribulation is coming, etc etc.

Philippus79

Here is a simple answer with simple hints to it:

1. Armageddon starts Nisan14 2008, exactly 6000 years after Adam sinned when he was 33,5 years old. Jesus is a "corresponding" ransom.

He was born in 4027Tishri, so he sinned in 3993Nisan, 33½ years later, in the same month that Jesus paid for his sin, Nisan. Now 6,000 years after 3993Nisan, the founding of the World, is 2008 Nisan (there was no 0 BC, it went 1BC then 1AD). So Armageddon starts in 2008Nisan. Adam was the first who was "passed over" by the angel and his death sentence was executed not directly but through his genes.

2. Jesus died in the exact centre of the First Abrahamic Covenant, the mid point between its inauguration and Armageddon.

We know that the 1AC started in 1943Nisan, when Abraham crossed the Euphrates, and that Jesus died and was resurrected in 33 Nisan, precisely Hebrew 1975 years later, so Armageddon is a further 1975 years after Jesus' death, i.e. 2008Nisan.

If we look at the First Abrahamic Covenant from the Solar Calendar (Gregorian) point of view we have 1943Nisan14 being April10 and 33Nisan14 being March31 and 2008Nisan14 being March21. So each half of the covenant is 1975 Solar years less 10 days. So Jesus died in the middle of the Abrahamic covenant to the day, as measured both by the BLC and the Gregorian (True Solar) Calendar!!

For 12 further proofs of this date, visit http://www.unwatchtower.com

Philippus

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Bible Scholar--Christ v. the Christ

by Justitia Themis in

regarding colossians 3: why is there a variance between bible translations, with some, such as darby's and the nwt saying "the christ" and others saying "christ?

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justitia.

Philippus79

As far as I'm aware of, the use of the articel specifies the reference to "Jesus Christ of Nazarite". The word "christos" only means "annointed [one]". And there are many annointed people. "The Christ" is the "christos" we all know.

As an aside: Isn't the theme of this year's DC "Follow the Christ"?

Philipp

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Need help on a date

by Philippus79 in

does anyone remember the exact date of the crystal palace assmebly in summer 1993?.

i would need this date, especially saturday, for some reference.. thanks in advance,.

philippus.

Philippus79

Thanks, great help!

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Need help on a date

by Philippus79 in

does anyone remember the exact date of the crystal palace assmebly in summer 1993?.

i would need this date, especially saturday, for some reference.. thanks in advance,.

philippus.

Philippus79

Hi all!

Does anyone remember the exact date of the Crystal Palace assmebly in Summer 1993?

I would need this date, especially Saturday, for some reference.

Thanks in advance,

Philippus

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Need help on a date

by Philippus79 in

jw
friends

does anyone remember the exact date of the crystal palace assmebly in summer 1993?.

i would need this date, especially saturday, for some reference.. thanks in advance,.

philippus.

Philippus79

Hi all!

Does anyone remember the exact date of the Crystal Palace assmebly in Summer 1993?

I would need this date, especially Saturday, for some reference.

Thanks in advance,

Philippus

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Seven times - Daniel

by Bonnie_Clyde in

somebody (maybe terry) posted about a month ago, and clyde is asking me about it.

it was real cute about the wt reasoning about the "seven times" equalling days and years and the whole jumbled mess.

my memory is not working today.

Philippus79

What most forget is, that every 7th year was a leap year and had the extra-month of AdarII added to harmonize again the lunar and the solar calender. So it plainly had 390 days, not 360 as the previous 6. So one could argue that 7times taken a day for a year could mean 2550 years! That would bring us to the fall of 1944 counted from 607 BC.

But many agree that Jerusalem fell in 586/587. If we now apply this rule, we end up in 1964.

Philippus

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Will the WTS. disolve and fade a way in time... ( Your perspective )

by thetrueone in

hi, just wanted to know your thoughts on what you think the future holds for the wts.

what for an example what do you think they will be writing on the cover of the w & a magazines 50 or 100 hundred years form now ?.

will the age of information and techology finally catch up to them (eg.

Philippus79

They wont resolve themselves, never! But maybe Christ will resolve them?

As regards selling their properties: They wont size down. They do it out of 2 reasons:

Reason 1 is that they discern that NYC is a dangerous place to be and they plan to move out to the facilities that are more in the countryside.

Reason 2 is that they structure all their possesions and domains completly new so that they can't be sued and distrained that easily.

Agape,

Philippus

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Watchtower 2007 3/15 -- Is 1914 dropped?

by observer in

watchtower 2007 3/15 is very unusual.

it is titled (when freely translated) "how coming of the christ affects you?".

in the first article there is not speaking about 1914 or invisible presence.

Philippus79

I think they have good "sales" reasons to drop 1914 but on the other hand they can't directly do it because of the temple-inspection scenario.

To add to this confusion, I just want to mention that I believe his "parousia" and his "epiphania" (coming in great glory, glory seen by all) are 2 different things. I think his parousia starts with genuine spirit-baptized ("annointed") persons on earth. It started somewhere at the beginning of the 20th century when Christ annointed persons from heaven to become part of his wife-to-be. By annointing people to be his wife, he was again present in the flesh (through the flesh of his wife). Husband and wife being one flesh, ya, know *g*

He will be present(parousia) as long as genuine members of his wife's body are around on earth. And (then?) he will "arrive in his glory" (epiphania) so that every eye will see him. The scripture do not say "every heart will see him"! They clearly tell us that he will return on the clouds just as he went away.

But that are just my 2 coins...

Agape,

Philippus