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  The wonders of God's creation - Example 1, the tsetse fly

  by jambon1 in

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  there are 23 species of tsetse flies.

  diseases transmitted by tsetse flies kill 250,000300,000 people per year.. why create such a thing?.

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  There are 23 species of tsetse flies. Diseases transmitted by tsetse flies kill 250,000–300,000 people per year.

  Why create such a thing?
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  Emblem stupidity, and the bizarre dance of the confused memorial-taker

  by cedars in

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  2. friends

  well, i went along to the memorial with mrs cedars.

  it was my first since my "awakening" just less than a year ago.

  apparently i made a lot of people happy by being there (even if it was only building up false hopes), the most important of which were my family.

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  I our old hall they would keep 4 seats at the front clear for the memorial-takers and after the rest of the hall had observed, they would sit there and the brother giving the talk would hand them the plate/wine for it to move along the four of them.

  Very silly.
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses Plan on Looting the Dead

  by God_Delusion in

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  2. beliefs

  hi guys and gals,.

  i've written a new article on what some jehovah's witnesses plan on doing after armageddon strikes.

  i am sure you've been around witnesses that have said something like "oh i'm moving into that house after armageddon.".

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  The entire notion of armaggeddon is simply vile. Sick thoughts for sick minds.

  I have heard those comments before. I can only suggest that the comments are made by sub human arseholes who have very little inteligence, emotion or love in their heart.
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  Animal sin?

  by jambon1 in

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  2. friends

  the doctrine of sin = death.. .

  if it is the case that the reason people die is due to the original sin of the man adam (romans 5:12) then why do animals also get sick and die of the same illnesses as humans?

  did an animal transgress in a similar manner?.

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  The doctrine of sin = death.
  
  If it is the case that the reason people die is due to the original sin of the man Adam (Romans 5:12) then why do animals also get sick and die of the same illnesses as humans? Did an animal transgress in a similar manner?
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  Discrediting an individual so as to avoid giving due thought and attention to the argument

  by jambon1 in

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  2. friends

  it seems that this has been a tactic that the jw's have used for many years.. i haven't contributed to this board in a wee while but upon my return a month or so ago, i was astounded to read about the article where the society described opposers as 'mentally diseased'.. it's a very basic strategy and one that works.. i myself experienced this with my wife during my more vocal periods of opposition to the society.

  for a good while i had a problem with drink.

  not a violent problem or anything, just that i drank more.

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  It seems that this has been a tactic that the JW's have used for many years.

  I haven't contributed to this board in a wee while but upon my return a month or so ago, I was astounded to read about the article where the society described opposers as 'mentally diseased'.

  It's a very basic strategy and one that works.

  I myself experienced this with my wife during my more vocal periods of opposition to the society. For a good while I had a problem with drink. Not a violent problem or anything, just that I drank more. Often if I had been drinking I would raise points about the society which I disagreed with. I'm not talking about a slurring messy rant. Just discussing things in a very frank manner.

  Despite my arguments being sound, they were put down to the ramblings of a drunk from my wifes point of view. I cannot begin to tell you how frustrating this was. Especially if any points were related to the mental welfare of our kids. It was as if my being more lucid gave my wife an opportunity to dismiss firsthand any objections that I made. Very convenient really. It saved her giving any of my points of view serious consideration.

  In my opinion, the society does this all the time. Painting opposers to the religion in an extreemly negative light helps the rank and file JW completely reject any well reasoned or solid argumentation.

  Calling people who oppose the religions teaching 'mentally diseased' is staggering really. It makes them sink to a new low. But it works.

  Unfortunately, decent people who simply 'don't agree' with their religon are absolutely demonised.

  Don't let it stop you speaking out. Even better, do it in a way that makes you irreprehensible.
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  Child preachers - I find this very disturbing

  by freetosee in

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  2. friends

  i believe young children are often capable of much more then we imagine.

  these preacher children are surly very talented.

  as much as i find them ever so cute, i find it disturbing how their parents use them to further their own religious ambitions.. .

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  It's vile.

  And in the case of JW's, dangerous.

  Woudl you take your young child canvassing around households where you don't know who on earth is behind the door. Paedophile, rapist, mentally disturbed etc, etc?

  Crazy.
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  Another day, another apostate. Here's my story.

  by I Want to Believe in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  been lurking for a bit, and feel safe enough now to tell my story (condensed).. i'm a third-generation born-in, but my parents were inactive for most of my upbringing.

  this means i got the worst of both worlds--no worldly friends (home schooled all but grades 2-3), no witness friends (since we never went to the hall except for memorial), and a generally isolated upbringing in a tiny, tiny town.

  needless to say, my emotional, social, and personal growth were stunted.

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  I had more or less all of the same feelings as yourself.

  I would say that I have always been careful not to 'go off the rails' which plays right into the hands of active JW's. It was hard. I battled with heavy drinking. The mental gymnastics that I had endured for around ten years had had it's effect on me and despite the feelings of freedom and relief, the manner in which you are treated by your family and JW friends takes it's toll. I'm positive that I went through a degree of post-traumatic stress disorder after I left the reigion. The mental scars from having their constant negativity drummed into my brain were signifiant. Being emotionally distant and socially detatched from those I cared for also had a very negative effect on me. However, like I say, I saw the benefit to being sensible and not indulging myself too much in bitterness and regret. Although, it was a battle which often I would lose, back in the beginning.

  I really enjoyed making friends or reconnecting with friends in the world. It taught me that although there are arseholes everywhere (none moreso than within the JW religion), generally people are not evil, bad or wicked. I used discernment when making worldly friends and after six years of being out of the org, I have a lovely mixture of friends who I care for deeply.

  I have enjoyed doing voluntary work for a charity in recent months, which is very rewarding and brings more to the table than my other work which is very mundane, although financially it is very rewarding. It has been nice to be back in the workplace among people and it's super to be involved with people who are genuinely caring individuals. I would never have entertained this as a vocation had I still been a JW. This work has offered a lot of opportunities to me in terms of future work and new friendships.

  Occasionally, I am in the company of JW's. Despite relaxing my view on them as individuals, I do find that their manner and general conversation is odd, negative and generally just not my cup of tea. As much as they may be nice individual people, I struggle with the fact that these same people would shun their children or make life and death decisions for their kids (given the chance), based on a notion of faith. Also, the general 'one-upmanship' is a massive factor. It's horrible to be around people who make judgements on appearance.

  All the best to you on your journey. Stick in.

  J
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  Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs

  by Lady Lee in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  thw wts likes to play games with their statistics.

  one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?

  if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.

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  2 because of sexuality/d/f issues.
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  Grown adults believing that a man and his small family gathered up every single living creature into a big boat

  by jambon1 in

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  never ever sat right with me.. now, don't get me wrong, it's one hell of a tale to tell your kids as a night time story (minus the pictures of dying babies and animals).

  but as for actually believing that it happened?.

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  Never ever sat right with me.

  Now, don't get me wrong, it's one hell of a tale to tell your kids as a night time story (minus the pictures of dying babies and animals). But as for actually believing that it happened?

  Think about it.
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  2011 Watchtower publisher statistics with analysis

  by jwfacts in

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  2. bible

  the 2012 yearbook has released the publisher statistics for the 2011 service year.

  a scan of the report can be found at http://www.jwfacts.com/images/2011-publisher-report.pdf and i have started updating the graphs at http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php.

  as expected, it is following on from similar trends to the last 15 years.

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  Since I left in 2006, the annointed number has rocketed.

  What is the explanation for this?

  Soon it'll be up at, er, 144 000.

  What is the official line on the increase?