May not just be what's in the pedo-files but a precedent it would set to open the wt to legal tsunami.
freemindfade
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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?
by poopie inwhat do you think there hiding?.
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Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.
by Still Totally ADD infirst they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
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freemindfade
Fact: Under “Operation Fast & Furious,” the U.S. government (democrats) became a de facto arms dealer to Mexican drug cartels and Islamist criminals. hypocrites
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Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.
by Still Totally ADD infirst they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
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More laws, what will they do?
Anyone know what a ghost gun is? or how easy it is to get one? Or how often they are used in crime in America? Shit, Obama and his buddies gave the worst criminals thousands of military firearms in bungled Operation Fast and Furious.
Do you think Stephen Craig Paddock would have respected and abided by laws? or would he have worked around them? This wasn't a momentary crime of passion, its something he's been planning for a long time. He would have got the guns either way or tried something else (bomb, truck, etc). He is an evil person who disregarded and abused the LAW. he had explosives too! Did he just go down to the explosive store and pick those up? No, he had to figure out how. Politicizing him as the poster child for centralizing gun ownership only to the government is not good.
I'll give you a good example. I think this bump stock thing should probably be illegal, if they do pass a law, you will still be able to get one, as long as you have customers, you have buyers. Someone will be selling whatever you need or want. If you are a criminal buyer their are criminal sellers waiting for your business.
As always I think its fine to review gun control laws that make sense and change things for the better, using a mass shootings just create a knee-jerk, emotional political grandstand that just pits one side against another, like the NFL nonsense, its the wrong place and time.
Stephen Paddock broke the law, one more law, would not have changed anything
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Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.
by Still Totally ADD infirst they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
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freemindfade
Anyone here ever read about Eric Holder, Oboma, And the whole fast and the furious atf debacle?? You can thank those idiots for getting fully auto weapons to the worst people more than any gun dealer. Look it up
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Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.
by Still Totally ADD infirst they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
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freemindfade
Somehow we don't like to hold individuals accountable, it needs to be something else to blame.
Why?
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Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.
by Still Totally ADD infirst they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
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freemindfade
do you really think that people would start killing people with trucks and explosives in the same numbers that they do now with guns?
If your INTENT is to kill, you will find a way. Knife, truck, explosive, improvised firearm, whatever...
"hey I really want to kill a bunch of people, but aww shucks I can't get a gun, guess I'll just be a peaceful law-abiding citizen."
If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns
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Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.
by Still Totally ADD infirst they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
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Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.
by Still Totally ADD infirst they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
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freemindfade
agree its ok to be inconvenienced. Fine with that.
if any of the guns he used were illegal, the system didn't work
if any of the guns he used legal, the system didn't work
I think th number of guns he owned is also a non-issue, people are flipping out, yes the number is excessive, but he couldn't use 40+ guns at once, he probably only used two. It's a lot of guns, but unless he had a small army to shoot with him, the number is mostly irrelevant in how much harm he caused
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Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.
by Still Totally ADD infirst they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
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freemindfade
This is my issue with making gun control the problem, this monster had to break several laws for us to even be talking about it, all these outraged people honestly believe just 1 more law, that would have stopped him, I just don't see it.
Our lack of unity has got to have a huge impact on whatever drove this idiot to do what he did, instead of further diving the nation why not focus on unity? For a change
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Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.
by Still Totally ADD infirst they said 20 dead with 100 injured.
now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.
whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.
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freemindfade
Hypothetically, let us say you ban all guns in America, you also somehow miraculously round up every gun, legal and illegal so there are actually nonexistent, yes, you could have stopped this maniac from "shooting" all these innocent people. Now, what if we hijacked a semi and drove through the crowd instead? Well, he wouldn't have shot them, but the basic problem of evil (not biblical sense) exists and you didn't prevent people from being massacred. The gun control debate at these times is a kneejerk, easy political grandstand that doesn't solve anything. it's topical and emotional.
You can't make guns just disappear, no by reviewing current gun control laws, not by making them stricter. Criminals will still get them regardless, its called the black market. Far left utopian fairytales won't make bad people disappear too. Who cares, ban all the guns, go ahead, give it a try, let's see if there if mass shooting become a thing of the past, let's see if gang member in the inner cities stop shooting each other, let's see if suicidal people still don't find a way to kill themselves. I know my libertarian ideas on this are sooooo offensive, but I like to just think I am a realist. I stopped believing in a utopian world when I stopped being a jw.
And you can say well Australia did it, they haven't had a mass shooting since, well they also don't have trucks driving through crowds in Australia. Also I read somewhere that Australia now again has as many gun owners as it did pre 96'!?!?! I don't have a good answer, and being able to say that is intellectual honesty, not grasping at straws.
I understand people not carrying about the 2nd amendment or owning a gun, but I think (as always) that attaching the gun control debate to mass shootings is dumb. If you want to get a gun against all the gun laws we have, you still can. Stop believing utopian ideas of a world without harm because the government is running our lives.Think like a criminal just for a minute and tell me how any gun law would have stopped such a determined, tactical, mass shooting. This guy was going to hurt a lot of people no matter what.
This is known to be a cultural divide and hot topic in America, the new regressive movement feeds on the cultural divide. Don't buy into it.
And cofty not to disagree with you, but just to make a point
Allowing citizens to own military style automatic weapons is indefensible.
How did that work in Paris in 2015? It didn't. So while I feel the same way that people don't need to own high capacity tactical weapons, it's not really the root of how and why this occurred.
We are told to focus on the "how", not the "why" which really has the most influence on this kind of evil
