on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
Earnest:
Brzakovic's maiden name was Berger. It is unlikely that her mother's maiden name was Berger.
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Bored now. Itâs tedious that people need details spoon fed to them. Get back to me when you have evidence that Katharinaâs mother was a Rieger or Peintner by birth (i.e., the sister of Mariaâs father or mother).
on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
In the unverifiable anecdote, it is claimed the Pope said "you are doing the work that we should be doing" (a statement that would be entirely uncharacteristic of Ratzinger). Note the similar tone in JW publications offering the same types of unverifiable anecdotes:
The Watchtower, 15 June 1993, page 26:
Upon learning the purpose of their visit, the priest invited them in, and they had a fine discussion. The priest then said: âI envy you but not in a bad way. We should be doing the work that you are doing. Itâs too bad that the Orthodox Church is a sleeping giantâ!
The Watchtower, 1 January 1997, page 12 (recycled from Awake!, 8 February 1982, page 10 below, and also recycled in The Watchtower, May 2016, page 12):
WHILE preaching from house to house, one of Jehovahâs Witnesses met a Pentecostal lady who commented, âWe have holy spirit, but you are the ones doing the work.â
Awake!, 8 February 1982, page 10:
A pastor of a Pentecostal church once said to a Witness: âIt makes me cry when I think that we have Godâs spirit, but you people are doing the work!âSo even if the claim of being a first cousin (later revised to second cousin) were true (though it remains unverified and implausible given the absence of any Bergers in Ratzinger's family tree) and there was a phone call (which also remains unverified), it's still possible that the lady (who supposedly only reported the phone call 4 months later) mixed the details of the conversation with things she read in JW literature.
on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
so until we do there is no reason not to accept her word on the connection.
Thatâs not how burden of proof works.
I hope for your sake that you donât get any emails from a Nigerian prince.
When researching genealogy, you have to be cautious even accepting that a person with a known family name is actually a correct match, let alone assuming that someone with no matching family names is related based only on an anecdote.
on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
One other gem that I picked up was that Betty (Elizabeth Maria) Tauber, the Pope's great-grandmother, was the daughter of Jacob Tauber (b.1811) and Josefina Knopfelmacher (1819-1886). Josefina Knopfelmacher's nickname was Peppi. I can only think that this gives credence to Stefanie Brzakovic's recall of the Joseph Ratzinger's nickname.
âPepiâ is a Germanic diminutive of âJosephâ. It isnât an obscure reference in any way unique to an ancestor born over 100 years prior. The similar use of a common diminutive form is trivial.
on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
slimboyfat:
Then you go on to say: âHe may have been polite (because he was a gentleman), but to interpret a passing kindness as some hidden theological endorsement is naive at best and deceitful at worst.â
Passing that off as a contradiction is a straw man argument. aqwsed12345 acknowledged that if the anecdote has any truth at all, itâs possible that Ratzinger might have been polite about Brzakovicâs religious views, which is not an âadmissionâ that he said âexactly what Brzakovic said he didâ.
on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
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on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
Itâs funny how desperately slimboyfat wants the anecdote to be true. It is entirely a story without evidence told by a JW lady. When pressed, the ladyâs story was shown to be even more tenuous. She was hesitant at responding to any request for clarification of her story and contradictory about whether there were any arrangements for her to meet the Pope when he came to Australia in 2008. And in the end, even if she were his first⌠uh⌠sorry⌠second cousin, without any evidence of her in Ratzingerâs well documented genealogy, it still wouldnât provide any evidence of how the Catholic Church views JWs.
on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
slimboyfat:
In other news, I think itâs a bit hasty to say Catholics have been nicer to JWs than JWs are to Catholics when in Canada, for example, the Catholic Church promoted the persecution of JWs. For all their rhetorical flourishes I donât recall JWs lobbying governments to get the Catholic Church banned.
And they did the crusades and inquisition too. So obviously their current stance must still be evil now like it was in Canada 80 years ago. (Setting aside the fact that events in Canada were precipitated by JWs distributing literature denouncing the Catholic Church first.)
on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
And the original statement you put out from ChatGPT and claimed to have verified is clearly false when you said: âThere is no widely available documentation or media coverage to verify this story.â
Youâre still completely wrong. The second report simply repeats claims in the first that remain unverified. Repeating a claim isnât verification. Itâs really sad that you donât understand that.
Additionally, the Austrian article was published after the one in Il Giornale and incorrectly misrepresents editorial comments about dates, near-drowning etc, from Il Giornale as quotes from Brzakovic.
I have consistently and correctly stated that all sources talking about it, and there arenât many, trace back to the story she told in 2005.
on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
The original article said she was a âcousinâ of the pope, it didnât say âfirst cousinâ, to be accurate.
