For the record, I don’t believe that the story is entirely truthful, with various telltale signs in presentation. However, the general advice stands either way.
Posts by Jeffro
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34Bible Study Approaching Its End
by Fallen_Winter ini have been engaging in bible study with my bible study conductor for the past two years.
i am on lesson 48 of enjoy life forever book and it is only a matter of time before i complete lesson 60 which is the final lesson.
my bible study conductor informed me today that once i complete lesson 60, i won’t be receiving any more studies as i have been given all of the information that i need to make a decision.
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Bible Study Approaching Its End
by Fallen_Winter ini have been engaging in bible study with my bible study conductor for the past two years.
i am on lesson 48 of enjoy life forever book and it is only a matter of time before i complete lesson 60 which is the final lesson.
my bible study conductor informed me today that once i complete lesson 60, i won’t be receiving any more studies as i have been given all of the information that i need to make a decision.
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Jeffro
Now and also six months ago the duration of the study was described as about 2 years, so from those details we could reasonably assume that it is now about 27 months since the start of the study. It was also suggested previously that the study usually goes for 2 hours, sometimes 2 and a half hours. But you’re only just up to chapter 48. That is indeed slow progress. You were told 6 months ago about the emotional manipulation inherent in the study and 5 months ago you said they were hateful of other religions. But you don’t actually seem to be any better off than you were 6 months ago. The book length is finite and will inevitably end either way. Best advice… get other friends and quit the study.
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Bible Study Approaching Its End
by Fallen_Winter ini have been engaging in bible study with my bible study conductor for the past two years.
i am on lesson 48 of enjoy life forever book and it is only a matter of time before i complete lesson 60 which is the final lesson.
my bible study conductor informed me today that once i complete lesson 60, i won’t be receiving any more studies as i have been given all of the information that i need to make a decision.
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Jeffro
@Jeffro, no, Jehovah’s Witness Bible Study are not obligation free. There is an expectation for the study to become a witness and if the study does not become a witness, the witnesses will begin to distance themselves from the study.
Um… yeah… I know. And you were given the same information 6 months ago.
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Bible Study Approaching Its End
by Fallen_Winter ini have been engaging in bible study with my bible study conductor for the past two years.
i am on lesson 48 of enjoy life forever book and it is only a matter of time before i complete lesson 60 which is the final lesson.
my bible study conductor informed me today that once i complete lesson 60, i won’t be receiving any more studies as i have been given all of the information that i need to make a decision.
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Jeffro
Well, I did envision that the studies would come to an end as I am not working towards baptism. I guess that she found a gentle way to end the studies. It still hurts, though.
You said six months ago that she cried about ending the study then because you weren’t progressing.
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Bible Study Approaching Its End
by Fallen_Winter ini have been engaging in bible study with my bible study conductor for the past two years.
i am on lesson 48 of enjoy life forever book and it is only a matter of time before i complete lesson 60 which is the final lesson.
my bible study conductor informed me today that once i complete lesson 60, i won’t be receiving any more studies as i have been given all of the information that i need to make a decision.
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Jeffro
There is an element of contrivance in the reported anecdote. However, the trap of emotional engagement is in any case by design. See Are JW Bible studies ‘obligation free’?
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The Wild Beast Has Begun Eating the Whore
by Sea Breeze inlooks like the wt got one prediction right!
actually, it just proves that the governments really are god's minister.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuaxwi4hey&ab_channel=fixingmyfaith.
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Jeffro
Hardly an empire. And a bit premature to say it’s falling. I think we can agree it’s a step in the right direction though.
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The Wild Beast Has Begun Eating the Whore
by Sea Breeze inlooks like the wt got one prediction right!
actually, it just proves that the governments really are god's minister.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuaxwi4hey&ab_channel=fixingmyfaith.
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Jeffro
🤦♂️
Deregistration of a problematic religious sect has nothing to do with biblical ‘beasts’ or a metaphor for the ancient Roman Empire.
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God’s wisdom in allowing bearded JWs July 25 Watchtower
by Listener inthe july 2025 watchtower has a paragraph that claims that it was the superior power and wisdom of jehovah that guided the gb into allowing jws to grow beards.. the study article is ‘can you still learn from basic bible teachings?’ under the subheading ‘jehovah is the creator’ paragraph 7 states-.
“ 7. what did rahela do to accept a change in direction?.
your answer.
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Jeffro
Rattigan350:
Shaving everyday is just part of basic hygiene like brushing one's teeth and putting on deodorant.
Wearing beards are just a sign of the laziness and rebelliousness of the people today.Or... they could.. wash their beards. I suppose you insist on baldness too. 🤦♂️
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Sisters can now wear pants. Any more important changes
by Witness 007 inalot of my witness friends were excited sisters can now wear pants and you can say hi to disfellowshiped folks but what about important stuff child molesters in the congregation you need 2 witnesses blood fractions are fine but not whole blood????
607 bce is from the 1880s wrong....anything else?
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Jeffro
Rattigan350:
No, that is not the gentile times. You didn't consider that Nathan told David that his offspring would sit on Jehovah's throne forever. But that ended when Jehoiakim lost that sovereignty. To not have that prophesy fail, Jehovah paused that for 2520 years. The Gentile times is from when it was paused until it stopped and Jesus became king because he didn't become king when he was on earth. It's that simple.
You don't get to tell me what I 'haven't considered'. I'm quite aware of this general superstition about David's throne (including the spurious genealogy in Matthew that invalidates application to Jesus as a descendant of Jeconiah), and the Adventist nonsense in particular. It's just wrong.
The same word rendered 'forever' in the verse Rattigan350 refers to (2 Samuel 7:13) is also used in reference to circumcision, the sabbath, owning individual slaves etc. It is a literary flourish and clearly does not literally mean for all eternity.
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Sisters can now wear pants. Any more important changes
by Witness 007 inalot of my witness friends were excited sisters can now wear pants and you can say hi to disfellowshiped folks but what about important stuff child molesters in the congregation you need 2 witnesses blood fractions are fine but not whole blood????
607 bce is from the 1880s wrong....anything else?
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Jeffro
Rattigan350:
607 is when the Gentile times began though Jerusalem was destroyed in 587.
The ‘gentle times’ was a period of 42 months during which the ‘holy city’ was ‘trampled’. It began in 66 CE and culminated in 70 CE. But JWs don’t care what the Bible actually says, and weird hybrid views like this are kind of worse.
I don't get why people and children want to celebrate birthdays.
🤨 Children are people. Anyway…
Let me tell you a story about a fox and some grapes.