what was it like to live in the 1950's 1960's and early 70's as a jehovah witness.when they started to push the 1975 date..
Or how about the publication that said that if Jesus really was lord of the sabbath, then the 6 milleniums of man's existance, ending Oct of 75, would have to be followed by a 7th millenium of rest? They hinged the truth of this false prophecy on Jesus claim.
Perhaps Blondie can post this?
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Ren/Debator:
This is the moment where after you say on other debates threads that you are enlightenned now, no longer blinded and have new critical thinking skills.
That you ask yourself why you need to say Witnesses are a cult despite most governments and human rights saying they aren't?
Please think about that carefully. Examine please how much you are being prejudiced by your anti-witness agenda!
My reply: Unlike the JW perception, Witnesses are not important in the eyes of the world in general..they lack numers and any sort of influence or importance. They gravely effect the lves of its own members and the members' families. The outside world knows very little about them so, this lack of knowledge leads to lack of recognition as the cult that they are.
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
-bator:
Hi bohm
Yes your right
Jehovah's Witnesses, most governments, human rights organisations define Cults a particular way and confirm Jehovah's witnesses are not a cult and ex-JW's, anti-religionists (I won't add cult experts since they do not mention witnesses. Their work is simply cold-read into biased info about witnesses) another way.
Again I ask who is being blinded by their prejudice?
My reply: Not a case of prejudiced but rather a lack of awareness on the parts of governments...the same as in prfessional sports head injuries used to be considered a minor injury that you come back from quickly..whereas now congress has gotten involved as they are realzing the lasting impact. Education is the key!
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
-bator the crybaby wah wah wahed:
Witnesses are simply not a cult! and you cannot make them be a cult!
My reply: Need a tissue?
-bator:
Only in the minds of bitter, hate-filled, prejudiced opinion (that would curtail people's personal freedom to be in the religion of their choice) are they blinded enough to think they are a cult.
My reply: Reniaa's baseless assertions and use of pejoratives and superlatives...let's rewrite this more accurately:
Only in the minds of bitter, hate-filled, prejudiced opinion (that would curtail people's personal freedom to be in the religion of their choice) are they blinded enough to think they are NOT a cult.
-bator said:
Go ahead and keep disagreeing with the European Human right courts that uphold us as a religion.
The European Court of Human Rights has defended the rights of Jehovah's Witnesses in many cases. For example:
- Efstratiou v. Greece (18 December 1996), Strasbourg 77/1996/696/888 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
- Manoussakis and Others v. Greece (26 September 1996), Strasbourg 59/1995/565/651 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
- Hoffmann v. Austria (23 June 1993), Strasbourg 15/1992/360/434 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
- Kokkinakis v. Greece (25 May 1993), Strasbourg 3/1992/348/421 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
My reply: Time will tell how this unfolds.
Reniaa said:
Actually this is a good thread to show people how bitterness against the religion you once loved and were a part of has blinded your ability to be objective.
My reply: Actually this is a good thread to show people how experience in the religion you once loved and were a part of has opened your ability to be objective.
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Jookbeard, human rights and the WT do not belong in the same sentence. The only rights the WT cries for is the right to tell its members what to do.
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
-bator: Time will tell...but education goes a long way...the US is simply a melting pot. Reniaa, you are the one who everything you type is either silly, stupid or obnoxious. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
what was it like to live in the 1950's 1960's and early 70's as a jehovah witness.when they started to push the 1975 date..
Reniaa said:
Hi heartofaboy
why would you think that?
It does not mention 1975 it is simply quoting our stardard urgency line. I could find examples of this from every year since we started publishing Bible truths and I can also find examples from the bible itself too.
1 Corinthians 7:29
What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none;
My reply: When did the Wt start publishing Bible truths?? They never have as far as I know. I know of their many false prophecies.
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Ren/Bator:
Hi poppers
You are propbably living in a country were jehovah's witnesses are recognised as a religion and not a cult by your government. Who really is the one being blind here?
My reply: Awareness is rising. A typical sign of cults, such as the JWs...is that people know very little about it. This is the case among JWs...people generally have a scant knowledge of them.
Ren/Bator said:
Hi jookbeard
Yes they are banned in Russia and China such enlightenned governments that would know a cult when they see one and are not fascists dictatorships that like to curtail religious freedom at all?
If my words sound ironic there is a reason for it. I am being ironic!
I honestly cannot believe you would even use Russia as an example. (probs the only one you know of and have translated that to "countless countries")
My reply: Time will tell but perhaps others will follow suit.
They also have a mess in France.
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
Good point Jook, it is not accurate to say the majority of govts do not think the org is a cult...as awareness is rising!
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
But, back to topic...when did I realize they were a cult...hmm...for years I suspected something was wrong but could not place my finger on it. Then after researching it around 2002-2003 and seeing the control exerted for self-serving interests on things such as birthdays and holidays with no basis...but simply to assure members do not form outside friendships I realized the org for what it is.
