This is so ridiculous. He won’t even say what he is accusing people of having said that is not true. He can’t because it’s entirely bogus. He thinks that if he lies often enough, and declares himself to be the victim loudly enough, that people won’t see that he is lying. I can see how his method might work, because you just don’t expect someone to lie so outrageously and adamantly. It’s like if you saw someone screaming and balling in the street that they had been attacked, you would just assume they must be telling the truth, because otherwise why would they be behaving like that. In reality he is trying to distract attention from his own harmful behaviour and he reckons that if he relentlessly points the finger at others hysterically, then onlookers will take his side. It’s interesting how quickly Andrew Gold and Dr Sohom Das saw through his act and called him out for what he is, and interesting too that he isn’t pursuing them for libel. I guess he realises there is no way of changing their opinion and he has nothing to gain and everything to lose from challenging them. He has his eye on new followers and financial backers and reckons his hysterical finger pointing and claims of victimhood will reel in a few new supporters.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Did the Watchtower Society ban Vaccinations and Organ Transplants?
by Vanderhoven7 inan avid wts supporter writes:.
re: vaccinations: vaccinations have never been banned.
if they were, then no representative of the wts would have been allowed to travel overseas when vaccines were compulsory around 1920 when vaccines was regularly in the news, there was both positive and negative information printed in the golden age (forerunner of the awake) but not from the staff writers, but from out side sources of article by medical doctors at the time and others that responded to those articles.. re: organ transplants: organ transplants were never forbidden by the society.
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It is true, some of the articles in Golden Age did not reflect official JW teaching. It was a bit rogue, under the stewardship of Clayton Woodworth.
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Did the Watchtower Society ban Vaccinations and Organ Transplants?
by Vanderhoven7 inan avid wts supporter writes:.
re: vaccinations: vaccinations have never been banned.
if they were, then no representative of the wts would have been allowed to travel overseas when vaccines were compulsory around 1920 when vaccines was regularly in the news, there was both positive and negative information printed in the golden age (forerunner of the awake) but not from the staff writers, but from out side sources of article by medical doctors at the time and others that responded to those articles.. re: organ transplants: organ transplants were never forbidden by the society.
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Sorry that was a delayed post above, those are good quotes from Earnest and others. There does seem to be strong evidence that transplants were prohibited and/or it was reasonable for ordinary JWs to infer it was a disfellowshipping offence.
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Did the Watchtower Society ban Vaccinations and Organ Transplants?
by Vanderhoven7 inan avid wts supporter writes:.
re: vaccinations: vaccinations have never been banned.
if they were, then no representative of the wts would have been allowed to travel overseas when vaccines were compulsory around 1920 when vaccines was regularly in the news, there was both positive and negative information printed in the golden age (forerunner of the awake) but not from the staff writers, but from out side sources of article by medical doctors at the time and others that responded to those articles.. re: organ transplants: organ transplants were never forbidden by the society.
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Could that quote possibly mean that judicial committees had been taking action on organ transplants, but Watchtower were clarifying that this was not the official position? It doesn’t necessarily mean they are reversing a previous position. It could also mean that they are correctly bodies of elders who had arrived at that position themselves on the basis of statements in the Watchtower against transplantation.
I haven’t seen any official Watchtower instruction to disfellowship someone for accepting a transplant, although it’s always possible the instruction was delivered verbally. -
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Did the Watchtower Society ban Vaccinations and Organ Transplants?
by Vanderhoven7 inan avid wts supporter writes:.
re: vaccinations: vaccinations have never been banned.
if they were, then no representative of the wts would have been allowed to travel overseas when vaccines were compulsory around 1920 when vaccines was regularly in the news, there was both positive and negative information printed in the golden age (forerunner of the awake) but not from the staff writers, but from out side sources of article by medical doctors at the time and others that responded to those articles.. re: organ transplants: organ transplants were never forbidden by the society.
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There were certainly strong statements in the Watchtower against organ transplants, but I don’t know any concrete statement that it was a disfellowshipping offence. I’ve also been looking out for examples for over 20 years and I have not yet come across a story of a JW who died for refusing an organ transplant because of the Watchtower’s opposition to transplants. If anybody knows of any it would be useful to share details, including a source, if possible.
I suspect that they changed their stance on organ transplants early enough so that they had changed their position by the time that organ transplants had become commonplace. It’s worth bearing in mind that other religious groups were also skeptical about the ethics of transplants when it was a new medical treatment.
Having said all that, I do know a JW who refused a heart transplant in the 1990s who probably died earlier than he otherwise would have because of that decision. His reasoning was that he didn’t believe it was possible to get a heart transplant without blood because the heart is full of blood. So for him, and it was his own reasoning, not anyone else, refusing blood necessitated also refusing a heart transplant in particular.
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JW's in war zone
by Gorb inthere is so much silence about the jw's in the ukraine conflict.
are the jw men arrested because they don't want to fight?
how is that going in the hyper nationalist fase the country is in?
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Waton the contours of a peace deal were well known (Ukrainian neutrality and autonomy for Russian zones) and western leaders talked Ukraine out of accepting a peace deal. Many in Ukraine wanted the peace deal. Indeed at various points Zelensky himself wanted the deal. The end result of this war is likely to be significantly worse than the peace deal they could have struck at the beginning. The only ones who win are weapons manufacturers.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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That rant from LE is pure evil. (Sorry but that’s the best word for it) He still accuses Kim without naming a single inaccuracy in anything she has said. He blames her for consequences he has entirely brought upon himself and he attempts to bully her once again into revealing information about herself which have absolutely nothing to do with the sorry situation LE has created for himself. What a nasty, stupid individual. If he had his way he would continue bullying people like this indefinitely. Those who argue ‘just give him a break’ are misguided.
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JW's in war zone
by Gorb inthere is so much silence about the jw's in the ukraine conflict.
are the jw men arrested because they don't want to fight?
how is that going in the hyper nationalist fase the country is in?
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Very possible. Not heard anything about that.
I had heard there was a specific programme to relocate Ukrainian JW refugees in Norway and possibly other Nordic countries, but that was in the early days.
The mainstream news about Ukrainian refugees in general in the UK has turned in recent weeks to the fact that UK government support is running out and some UK residents are losing enthusiasm for hosting Ukrainians.
I think this is incredibly cynical: having goaded Ukraine into war with Russia, the depth of commitment to taking care of Ukrainian refugees seems to be pretty shallow. It’s almost as if war and weapon sales are more important to western powers than democracy or humanitarian considerations.
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JW's in war zone
by Gorb inthere is so much silence about the jw's in the ukraine conflict.
are the jw men arrested because they don't want to fight?
how is that going in the hyper nationalist fase the country is in?
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The news is indeed bizarre these days on its face. On the one hand the G7 is praised for ganging up in an apparent failed attempt to rig the price of Russian gas, on the other hand Russia is accused of ‘economic warfare’ when it refuses to supply gas on terms disadvantageous to itself. It’s almost as if Russia isn’t the only power engaging in propaganda.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Diogenesister he is a master manipulator and some his remaining patrons are apparently susceptible. (Cognitive dissonance?) There are probably some others who signed up ages ago and are not aware of what’s been happening. To have lost half of his paying supporters in less than a year is about as dramatic a collapse in support as it gets. There is another YouTuber boogie2988 who started out as a sympathetic character but ended up boasting about doing similar things to LE. In his case it took a few years for him to lose most of his patrons, a very long process.
I know LE acts as if he’s the “biggest megaphone” but the statistics just don’t bear this out. There are at least 4 other xJW YouTube channels that reach a bigger audience than he does in terms of views, and a number of others that are a similar size. So where does the idea come from that he isn’t a minor player or isn’t dispensable?