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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

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  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  slimboyfat

  That rock I see outside in my backyard isn't going to get up and move on its own. Never. Ever.

  No doubt true. But also not something a panpsychist would expect or believe either.
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  Watchtower Organizational Structure

  by Wild_Thing in

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  does anyone know of any diagrams online that show the current hierarchical structure of the watchtower compared to the previous hierarchical structures of the past.

  i know they have complicated it on purpose to try to protect themselves legally from lawsuits.

  i would like to try to understand their current structure compared with the past.

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  Remember the famous WT visual showing the level of comfy chair depending on position in the organisation? On the cedars page (you may need to paste it in):

  http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/are-jehovahs-witnesses-a-hierarchical-religion-and-does-it-matter
  
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  Salvator Mundi

  by compound complex in

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  http://www.christies.com/features/the-last-da-vinci-salvator-mundi-8598-3.aspx.

  an ethereal rendering of jesus, savior of the world, in whose left hand rests a crystal orb.

  in what painterly manner did leonardo "repent" while producing this work?.

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  slimboyfat

  Very intersting. I didn't know there were so few da Vinci paintings extant.
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  Salvator Mundi

  by compound complex in

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  http://www.christies.com/features/the-last-da-vinci-salvator-mundi-8598-3.aspx.

  an ethereal rendering of jesus, savior of the world, in whose left hand rests a crystal orb.

  in what painterly manner did leonardo "repent" while producing this work?.

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  Looks slightly feminine to me. Like Conchita! But I know nothing about history of art, it's probably normal. Have the eyes faded or do they look vacant? Is this the whole picture or an abstract? What prompts your interest in it?
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

  1. social
  2. current

  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  slimboyfat

  I think it’s possible for humans not to feel hungry (with medical conditions that interfere with digestion and/or appetite) but doesn’t mean the person isn’t conscious.
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

  1. social
  2. current

  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  slimboyfat

  Is awareness synonymous with consciousness? I’d say it’s like green and turquoise: similar but not identical.

  Even if they were lexically identical it’s not the point. Strawson says matter may be minimally aware rather than conscious. Or have a “mental” quality, or some other formulation.

  Is an ant conscious, or aware in the same way as a dog? Many would probably say there is a significant difference. Whether you want to describe that difference as between consciousness and awareness, or some other linguistic distinction, the underlying point seems clear enough.
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

  1. social
  2. current

  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  We can only be sure that living things have consciousness? How can we be sure they have consciousness? Or that nothing else has awareness?

  Consciouness necessitates hunger and feeding? Maybe, I don’t know. How can you prove that?

  Like I said above, it seems panpsychists like Strawson make a distinction between. consciounesss and awareness. Beetles, flies, and plants may not be conscious, but have different kinds of awareness. Then crystals and atoms different kinds still, who knows?
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. current

  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  slimboyfat

  I'm not sure the same can be said of crystals or rocks.

  I’m not sure either. But the idea is not ridiculous. Is it part of a spectrum, or is there a clear cut off point? Some would place the cut off before trees, or before insects, or some other creatures, for that matter.

  The fact is that the only thing we can be absolutely certain about is that we exist. In that sense the experiential precedes the physical. We can be surer that we exist as thinking beings than we can be about the existence of the external world.

  The existence of the external world, and its nature as either experiential in character or without awarensss, are matters for speculation.

  Plus there’s something a bit troubling about the coherency of materialism taken to its reductionist extreme. Have you ever read Daniel Dennett on consciousness? He argues that consciousness is purely a physical process and consciousness is a sort of illusion. But if we are suffering from an illusion that we exist, then who is suffering the illusion? If we want to talk about nonsensical philosophical positions that would be a better example.
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

  1. social
  2. current

  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  slimboyfat

  He funny that you included trees!
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

  1. social
  2. current

  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  slimboyfat

  just because some questions can be formulated and stacked in sequence does not bestow merit to most of them.

  Well indeed. What I am asking is if there is any logical or empirical reason for assuming matter is unaware, rather than the opposite. Not assuming that any particular stance has merit merely because it can be formulated into a statement or a question.

  Simply asserting that matter is unaware and that any other view is ridiculous is not an argument. It involves neither logic nor evidence. It's simply an appeal to tradition or bias, and an exercise in rhetoric.