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  Can someon explain the 70 years prophecy to me?

  by ithinkisee in

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  i am reading gentile times reconsidered.

  great book.

  but when you read it you definitely have to have a clear understanding of the 70 years prophecy as interpreted by the society - otherwise the explanations sound just as garbled as the society's (except reconsidered has a lot more actual references).. can someone explain it in simple terms?

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  doogie

  yeah, i caught the end of it. seemed painful but the guy seems to have a very high tolerance to pain.
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  Can someon explain the 70 years prophecy to me?

  by ithinkisee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am reading gentile times reconsidered.

  great book.

  but when you read it you definitely have to have a clear understanding of the 70 years prophecy as interpreted by the society - otherwise the explanations sound just as garbled as the society's (except reconsidered has a lot more actual references).. can someone explain it in simple terms?

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  doogie

  wow...no scholar yet? what's up with that?
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  Did our ancestors really live for hundreds of years?

  by pennycandy in

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  for all you scientific brains out there .

  .. the bible claims lifespans of over 900 years.

  what does science say about this?.

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  doogie

  so it is rather acedemic

  i hear ya. i have way too many books on my "to-read" list to worry too much about methusaleh.
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  Did our ancestors really live for hundreds of years?

  by pennycandy in

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  for all you scientific brains out there .

  .. the bible claims lifespans of over 900 years.

  what does science say about this?.

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  doogie

  BB:

  i actually didn't know that the watchtower had commented on that. thanks. this is from the same book i mentioned earlier (Is It God's Word?):

  A mystery of the ages in connection with the Flood is how
  Noah's venerable grandfather Methuselah survived the universal
  cataclysm which destroyed all life except the Noah menage and
  menagerie in the ark. Methuselah did not die until a year or more
  after the Flood -- fourteen years after according to the
  Septuagint. It is recorded that Methuselah was 187 years old when
  his son Lamech was born (Gen. v, 25), and he lived for 787 years
  afterwards, dying at the ripe age of 969 years (v, 26, 27). Lamech
  was 182 years old when his son Noah was born (v, 28, 29). When the
  Flood began, Noah was in his six hundredth year, or, to be exact,
  he was 599 years, one month, and seventeen days old (vii, 11); and
  Noah lived for 350 years after the Flood, and was 950 years old
  when he died (ix, 28, 29). Methuselah was alive when the Flood
  began and when it ended, if the Bible record is true: 1. From the
  birth of Lamech to the beginning of the Flood was (182 plus 599)
  781 years; and from the birth of Lamech to the end of the Flood was
  782 years. If Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech 782 years he
  survived the Flood. Or, again:
    2. From the birth of Methuselah to the beginning of the Flood
  was (187 plus 182 plus 599 years) 968 years; the Flood ended a year
  later, when Methuselah was 969, and he died at that good old age.
  Or again: 3. From the birth of Methuselah to the death of Noah was
  (187 plus 182 plus 950 years) 1319 years. As Noah died 350 years
  after the Flood, from the birth of Methuselah to the end of the
  Flood was (1319 minus 350 years) 969 years, the age of Methuselah
  at his death, after the Flood.
  
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  Jesus is Jehovah

  by hibiscusfire in

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  the bible shows that jesus is jehovah and there are verses to prove this.

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  doogie

  ok...fine! FINE! you win! jesus is jehovah. i fold!...

  who exactly are you arguing with?
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  Is the Governing Body in Danger at Bethel as More Bethlites read the Net??

  by frankiespeakin in

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  do you think the gb should limit contact with bethelites because of possible harm that could come to them right there at headquarters.

  i mean think of how many bethelites have interent access and know the gb are tyrants, but are stuck there at bethel because they have no money and no place to turn because they have been there for many years.. i think many gbs purposely keeps to themselves now a days, they probably should even think seriously of a body guard even while at bethel.. have you notice the wt doesn't give any advance notice when a gb will be speaking at conventions anymore, could it be that they are worried that some father or other family member who lost a child through thier no blood policy, finds out throught the internet that the gb are phoneies and now blames the gb for the loss of life.

  think of how dangerous it would be to give advanced notice when so and so gb member would be giving a convention talk.

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  doogie

  I bet they go kind of easy on the warnings at bethel so as not to stir up any undue curiousity.

  that;s probably a good idea, but nah...they don't go easier on the warnings out there. they lay the evil internet warnings on ya and then an extra helping of "big brother is watching" to keep you in line.
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  Jesus is Jehovah

  by hibiscusfire in

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  the bible shows that jesus is jehovah and there are verses to prove this.

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  doogie

  LT:

  did i ever tell you you're my favorite christian?
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  Is the Governing Body in Danger at Bethel as More Bethlites read the Net??

  by frankiespeakin in

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  do you think the gb should limit contact with bethelites because of possible harm that could come to them right there at headquarters.

  i mean think of how many bethelites have interent access and know the gb are tyrants, but are stuck there at bethel because they have no money and no place to turn because they have been there for many years.. i think many gbs purposely keeps to themselves now a days, they probably should even think seriously of a body guard even while at bethel.. have you notice the wt doesn't give any advance notice when a gb will be speaking at conventions anymore, could it be that they are worried that some father or other family member who lost a child through thier no blood policy, finds out throught the internet that the gb are phoneies and now blames the gb for the loss of life.

  think of how dangerous it would be to give advanced notice when so and so gb member would be giving a convention talk.

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  doogie

  I think looking at porn has been the first step many of us make, and then looking at apostate sites soon follows. Did you get progamed while surfing the net at bethel?

  LOL. i never looked at 'apostate' stuff while i was at bethel, i was too busy.

  i definitely started to leave the org while i was out there and i would've been more than receptive to this site and others (towards the end, i wasn't going to meetings or out in service, as odd as that may sound). i just never bothered to look for apostate stuff.
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  Is the Governing Body in Danger at Bethel as More Bethlites read the Net??

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you think the gb should limit contact with bethelites because of possible harm that could come to them right there at headquarters.

  i mean think of how many bethelites have interent access and know the gb are tyrants, but are stuck there at bethel because they have no money and no place to turn because they have been there for many years.. i think many gbs purposely keeps to themselves now a days, they probably should even think seriously of a body guard even while at bethel.. have you notice the wt doesn't give any advance notice when a gb will be speaking at conventions anymore, could it be that they are worried that some father or other family member who lost a child through thier no blood policy, finds out throught the internet that the gb are phoneies and now blames the gb for the loss of life.

  think of how dangerous it would be to give advanced notice when so and so gb member would be giving a convention talk.

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  doogie

  pretty much everyone i worked with had a computer in their room. at the time i was there, netzero was still free so i would say the majority of the guys i knew w/ a computer had internet access. i would assume it's lower now since they would have to pay a monthly bill.

  for the record, i looked at porn constantly and the home overseer never said anything so i'm pretty sure he never checked my PC (or more likely, EVERYONE'S computer was chock full of porn).
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  Is the Governing Body in Danger at Bethel as More Bethlites read the Net??

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you think the gb should limit contact with bethelites because of possible harm that could come to them right there at headquarters.

  i mean think of how many bethelites have interent access and know the gb are tyrants, but are stuck there at bethel because they have no money and no place to turn because they have been there for many years.. i think many gbs purposely keeps to themselves now a days, they probably should even think seriously of a body guard even while at bethel.. have you notice the wt doesn't give any advance notice when a gb will be speaking at conventions anymore, could it be that they are worried that some father or other family member who lost a child through thier no blood policy, finds out throught the internet that the gb are phoneies and now blames the gb for the loss of life.

  think of how dangerous it would be to give advanced notice when so and so gb member would be giving a convention talk.

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  doogie

  i was at bethel until 2001 and had personal internet access the entire time. it was dial-up and the only way it could be monitored is if someone checked your computer while you were away. there's absolutely no way that bethel could monitor dial-up access because every single room has a phone line.