So this book I'm reading pointed out that Carnegies How to Win Friends and Influence people has roughly the same outline as the CIAs Kubark Counterintelligence Interrogation manual, which can be found online. Has anyone else read about this before?
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How to Use Friends and Manipulate People?
by Markfromcali inso this book i'm reading pointed out that carnegies how to win friends and influence people has roughly the same outline as the cias kubark counterintelligence interrogation manual, which can be found online.
has anyone else read about this before?.
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Mind Control on Dr. Phil
by brotherdan inusually i'm not into dr. phil at all.
but yesterday he had on dr. philip zimbardo from standford university on the show to talk about obedience to authority.
now the focus was on people doing bad and cruel things when obeying authority, but i could not help but see how many of the psychological issues also seemed to take place in jehovah's witnesses.. for example, a man was waiting outside the studio when a security gaurd walked up to the waiting man with a supposed thief.
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Markfromcali
Oh it's not just the West, actually it's true to a great extent in the East just in a different form.
Where this gets ridiculous is when someone is not even in charge of themselves, which is of course a very real possibility and happens to a great extent very often - not that people are necessarily aware of this or pay it any mind even if they are. Of course, if that was the attitude then you can't exactly just blame others because you choose to ignore taking responsibility for yourself.
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Mind Control on Dr. Phil
by brotherdan inusually i'm not into dr. phil at all.
but yesterday he had on dr. philip zimbardo from standford university on the show to talk about obedience to authority.
now the focus was on people doing bad and cruel things when obeying authority, but i could not help but see how many of the psychological issues also seemed to take place in jehovah's witnesses.. for example, a man was waiting outside the studio when a security gaurd walked up to the waiting man with a supposed thief.
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Markfromcali
I've been meaning to read The Sociopath Next Door, glad for the reminder.
I have to say though that the perceived legitimacy of authority is really an indirect way of addressing this. I've no doubt that real education would have an influence, but a lot of what passes for education is a process of conditioning on some level. Rather than just limit unquestioning obedience, why have it at all in the first place? Why isn't the default no special authority until proven otherwise? It should be a simple matter of being clear about the psychology involved, so if anything being educated in terms of having a degree of psychological awareness perhaps, which is not necessarily a given even if one holds a formal or advanced degree.
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Mind Control on Dr. Phil
by brotherdan inusually i'm not into dr. phil at all.
but yesterday he had on dr. philip zimbardo from standford university on the show to talk about obedience to authority.
now the focus was on people doing bad and cruel things when obeying authority, but i could not help but see how many of the psychological issues also seemed to take place in jehovah's witnesses.. for example, a man was waiting outside the studio when a security gaurd walked up to the waiting man with a supposed thief.
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Markfromcali
I'm reading Coercion by Douglas Rushkoff, and he notes that 'textbooks on employee management, salesmanship, and interrogation all detail precise methods for eliciting childhood emotional states. The technique is called "induced regression," and it exploits the remnants of our natural childhood urges so that the subject "transfers" parental authority onto the practitioner.' It's good to recognize how pervasive this kind of influence is. It's easy or at least natural to refer to the JW experience, but it we only focus our attention on that context we're going to miss a lot. The author goes on to note that hundreds of healthy cognitive processes can be exploited if the person understands what they're doing. The person who only wants out of the WTS but is content to fit in to the mainstream will likely not be aware of such things, nor are they necessarily interested.
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ROWS with your partner
by hamsterbait inwe all go mad at each other from time to time..... after a real ding dong fight, what was the longest it took you to make up?.
i have always found it intriguing that the one we love the most, usually gets the nastiest things said to them.. do you decide that in spite of being right, its just not worth pushing your side?.
hb.
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Markfromcali
Am I the only one wondering what ROWS is?
I have always found it intriguing that the one we love the most, usually gets the nastiest things said to them.
That's easy, it's because love (in the sense of attraction) and hate are on the same continuum, and you are entangled (umm, in an emotional sense) with the person. So in that sense even the nastiness (in the sense of being mean etc - we know what else that could mean) is also an expression of that bond, otherwise you wouldn't care.
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What are you curious about?
by Markfromcali inwhat would you like to learn or understand, or are in the process of learning about?.
(yes i know this is rather minimusy).
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Well Heaven, you can see from my threads that it has to do with the stuff Hadit mentioned, but right now I'm curious about being curious. :) Often people aren't really curious, they might be interested in what can X do for me, even if that's to resolve some cognitive dissonance but then it's like you tend to skip stuff since you're so goal oriented. To take the JW example, there's the difference between just believing because you'd like to and that it appeals to you on some level, and just being really interested in what's really true. And of course that isn't even against JW doctrine at least last time I checked, although I kind of wonder if they don't quote that scripture about the noble minded Boreans as much anymore.
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Russell Brand on the cult of celebrity
by Markfromcali inhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/9053238.stm.
it might be good that i don't know his work, he sounds like a pretty cool guy...
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Markfromcali
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/9053238.stm
It might be good that I don't know his work, he sounds like a pretty cool guy..
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Post-symbolic communication
by Markfromcali inwe are virtuosos at spoken language.
adults speak with what seems like no effort at all, even though everyday chats might be the most complicated phenomena ever observed.
i see no reason why new virtuosities in communication could not appear in the future, though it's hard to specify a timeframe.. suppose you're enjoying an advanced future implementation of virtual reality and you can cause spontaneously designed things to appear and act and interact with the ease of sentences pouring forth during an ordinary conversation today.. imagine a means of expression that is a cross between the three great new art forms of the 20th century: jazz improvisation, computer programming, and cinema.
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Markfromcali
Well, we can use our imaginations now in a kind of intrapersonal exercise as a thought experiment or what have you, but it seems we just underutilize it so there's mostly input rather than creative outputs, even information processing that is fairly detailed may follow a rather predictable structure. So yes, whether it's something like 3D TV or immersive body suits and/or direct neurointerface it wouldn't do much good if it's mostly one way communication. Even in the information age you're no more than a human servomechanism if there's not much intelligence behind those processes, regardless of increase in communication bandwidth.
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What are you curious about?
by Markfromcali inwhat would you like to learn or understand, or are in the process of learning about?.
(yes i know this is rather minimusy).
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Markfromcali
What would you like to learn or understand, or are in the process of learning about?
(yes I know this is rather minimusy)
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Why Do You Come Here?
by minimus ini like this place.
i like the mix of posters.
i think it's a helpful site and most informative..
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Markfromcali
The diversity is really cool. I actually tend to feel we limit ourselves because it is mostly about JW stuff, which is only natural of course depending on where someone is at in the process. But in spite of that the sheer number of users and the fact that people have at least learned to peek beyond the JW stuff tends to make it fairly interesting discussion.