@JWFacts - Ah yes, sales is a great field, a way to level the playing field as far as income goes. If you can sell and get into the right product or service you can do very well for yourself. I've never really tried it, other than for my own businesses. I really have to believe in something or I can't sell it at all. That's probably the reason I stopped going out in service close to a decade before I finally woke up to the cult I was in. I knew something was wrong and couldn't sell it anymore even though I didn't really consciously know it.
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Let's talk business ...
by dubstepped ini am thinking that this could be an interesting topic.
most of us never had a chance to go to college, many of us were involved in various service industries like cleaning and such, and we have had some limitations placed on us.
so i thought it might be interested to see what has worked for people, what hasn't, what the progression has been, where people went wrong and where they got it right.
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Let's talk business ...
by dubstepped ini am thinking that this could be an interesting topic.
most of us never had a chance to go to college, many of us were involved in various service industries like cleaning and such, and we have had some limitations placed on us.
so i thought it might be interested to see what has worked for people, what hasn't, what the progression has been, where people went wrong and where they got it right.
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@Della Street - Whew, that's rough. I'm so sorry you got to that point. One thing I have written down on my daily notes list is that "Business Is There To Serve You" because I can often lose sight of that and become a slave to it. You're right in that I need to put measures in to stop it before it gets out of hand.
I think that growing up JW, with the constant activity in my family, has made me somewhat a workaholic. We were in school, then came home and studied or wrote talks or went out in service in the evenings. On the weekends it was service and meetings and more service. Constant moving, constant striving, never content to just "be".
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Nephew’s JW Fiancée Begins Conversion to Judaism Due to Passover Date
by Rabbi Midge init’s been a while since i posted, but for those who remember, i came on here to get some information about jehovah’s witnesses because i have a nephew who was getting engaged to a girl who was a jehovah’s witness and, along with some other sites, i was recommended this one.. since then we’ve been busy with passover and jehovah’s witnesses have had something they call the memorial of christ’s death (i believe i have that right).
this clashing of the two observances apparently did more for this girl than anything else i ever saw in our months of conversations with her.. respectfully, jews do not proselytize.
these are people who, of their own desire, “join the tribe” after some years of study and practice--something this girl has just begun to do.
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Rabbi Midge - Why do you feel like you are being proselytized?
Because one of the definitions is "to advocate or promote a belief or course of action". It wasn't enough to tell us about this person and what went on, but you continued to give a presentation on the Reconstructing Judaism movement that seemed unnecessary and like an advertisement. You asked why I feel that way, and there you have it.
I also don't feel great about the young lady jumping from one thing to another based on one date being wrong. It seems very emotional and like a sweeping and unstable step to have uprooted her entire life and threatened her parents (which seems no better than them threatening her with shunning) if they know what's good for them. The whole thing just seems not very well thought out and impulsive, not typically the hallmark of someone about to make a great decision for their life. I find the Jewish culture interesting. My grandfather was a Russian Jew. My wife and I work for people that are Jewish and have discussions at times. I just find this thread, at least the original post, to be a mixture of interesting and somewhat disturbing. Those are my feelings. You don't have to agree.
I do appreciate learning about some of the Jewish teachings or culture that you've shared. I miss David? (name escapes me) that posted her for quite some time. He shared a lot of very interesting things regarding scripture, added Jewish views on things, and gave perspectives that were unique from the way we were taught. You're doing some of that too, which is interesting.
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Nephew’s JW Fiancée Begins Conversion to Judaism Due to Passover Date
by Rabbi Midge init’s been a while since i posted, but for those who remember, i came on here to get some information about jehovah’s witnesses because i have a nephew who was getting engaged to a girl who was a jehovah’s witness and, along with some other sites, i was recommended this one.. since then we’ve been busy with passover and jehovah’s witnesses have had something they call the memorial of christ’s death (i believe i have that right).
this clashing of the two observances apparently did more for this girl than anything else i ever saw in our months of conversations with her.. respectfully, jews do not proselytize.
these are people who, of their own desire, “join the tribe” after some years of study and practice--something this girl has just begun to do.
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For all the talk about Jews not proselytizing I can't help but feel like this thread is an effort to do just that. It feels very preachy to me. Maybe it's just me though. I do find Judaism quite interesting.
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"Inner Rooms" the full article-Part II
by jwdoctrine ini posted yesterday a link to an article i wrote about the "inner rooms".please find the full article below.
what are the "inner rooms" in isaiah 26:20?.
one of the questions that seem to trouble the governing body of the jehovah's witnesses in recent year is this: what will jehovah's witnesses be doing during the destruction of babylon the great?
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First question..... Why doesn't Isaiah, under inspiration of course, just say that the inner rooms mean New Jerusalem? Why the confusion, interpretations, guesses, etc.? Why the need to skip around all over the Bible to figure these things out?
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Let's talk business ...
by dubstepped ini am thinking that this could be an interesting topic.
most of us never had a chance to go to college, many of us were involved in various service industries like cleaning and such, and we have had some limitations placed on us.
so i thought it might be interested to see what has worked for people, what hasn't, what the progression has been, where people went wrong and where they got it right.
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^^^^ First lesson you gave them - how to negotiate, lol.
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Let's talk business ...
by dubstepped ini am thinking that this could be an interesting topic.
most of us never had a chance to go to college, many of us were involved in various service industries like cleaning and such, and we have had some limitations placed on us.
so i thought it might be interested to see what has worked for people, what hasn't, what the progression has been, where people went wrong and where they got it right.
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@just fine- Congrats! I'm super jealous of your consulting gigs. I love small service businesses and love marketing and being a consultant for that is a dream of mine. I've just learned from forums and info products and not real world experience so I lack confidence. I've done well in our cleaning business but am more of an offline marketing guy specializing in under promising and over delivering to build fans that promote us as free salespeople. I'm not sure that translates.
Anyway, good for you for making a successful career for yourself!
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Let's talk business ...
by dubstepped ini am thinking that this could be an interesting topic.
most of us never had a chance to go to college, many of us were involved in various service industries like cleaning and such, and we have had some limitations placed on us.
so i thought it might be interested to see what has worked for people, what hasn't, what the progression has been, where people went wrong and where they got it right.
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@truth_b_known - I've always thought that being a PI sounded like a really interesting career. Congrats on the impending retirement and new opportunities.
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Let's talk business ...
by dubstepped ini am thinking that this could be an interesting topic.
most of us never had a chance to go to college, many of us were involved in various service industries like cleaning and such, and we have had some limitations placed on us.
so i thought it might be interested to see what has worked for people, what hasn't, what the progression has been, where people went wrong and where they got it right.
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@pale.emperor - I definitely don't think that owning a business or being self-employed is for everyone, but here's something to think of regarding risk. You are essentially in business for yourself already. Don't believe me, try not showing up and see how well it goes, lol. You are in your own little business now with one client. All if your eggs are in one basket. Lose that and it's all gone.
My wife and I have 30 clients. If we lose one it isn't crushing. We just replace them, and we keep more clients than absolutely necessary. So from a risk perspective we are in a better place in some ways.
Now when you're starting out it can be scary. If you're already employed you could start something on the side if you had the circumstances to do so (harder with kids). Once the side gig was going strong and it felt like the boat was closer to the dock, so to speak, you could make the jump without the worry of falling in and getting wet.
Again though, it isn't for everyone. Figuring out what to do is just a small part of it. Making it work is tough. Lots of hard lessons learned, though theree are lots of courses online to help you start most businesses.
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Let's talk business ...
by dubstepped ini am thinking that this could be an interesting topic.
most of us never had a chance to go to college, many of us were involved in various service industries like cleaning and such, and we have had some limitations placed on us.
so i thought it might be interested to see what has worked for people, what hasn't, what the progression has been, where people went wrong and where they got it right.
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@scratchme - Sound like you are absolutely killing it. Well done! Sounds like you've had a unique path, especially as an exjw in the workplace.