Posts by Fisherman

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The (Shunned) Woman at the Well

by Sea Breeze in

i always found the account of the "woman at the well" to be particulary interesting.

this unknown shunned woman of ill-repute was specifically sought out and chosen by jesus.

why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7dzonv3iy&ab_channel=michaelpapale.

Fisherman

Van,

You don’t grasp that Samaritan laws were not Jewish ( you worship what you do not know) The Samaritans were not Jews. Jesus only corrected the application of Jewish law. So whether or not there were loving provisions in Samaritan apostate practices Jesus only corrected the application of Jewish beliefs and practices and laws. And whether or not it was right or wrong to for the Samaritan religion to ostracize the woman it was not the jurisdiction of Jesus to correct it therefore legitimizing the whole religion. The judging is of Judaism at that time time and not the religions of others. How the samaritans practiced their religion is totally immaterial.

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The (Shunned) Woman at the Well

by Sea Breeze in

i always found the account of the "woman at the well" to be particulary interesting.

this unknown shunned woman of ill-repute was specifically sought out and chosen by jesus.

why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7dzonv3iy&ab_channel=michaelpapale.

Fisherman

Van,

I don’t think you realize or see the picture you don't get the point

why do you think she would go to such length to isolate herself?

Because it was a shameful thing to do in her community and she felt ashamed. No point in explaining any further. Like someone walking naked through the street. You should realize you are naked and don’t blame others.

Even if you come to your senses later on and put some clothes on, you know people saw you.

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The (Shunned) Woman at the Well

by Sea Breeze in

i always found the account of the "woman at the well" to be particulary interesting.

this unknown shunned woman of ill-repute was specifically sought out and chosen by jesus.

why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7dzonv3iy&ab_channel=michaelpapale.

Fisherman

Van,

The mere fact that she was alone in the heat of the day suggests that she was not appreciated or accepted by the other women in her community.

It appears she wasn’t banned from being there but she wasn’t brazen, she felt ashamed. Nothing was going to change her reputation —but God drew her to Jesus. How special she must have felt to have that privileged encounter with THE MESSIAH! And how jealous the other women must have felt, giving her courage to forgive herself and feel good about herself. She now had substance to face them. She could look at them without having to look down. Now, she could repent with dignity.

Van, the account doesn’t focus on whether or not she was being mistreated or not appreciated or whether or not any rebuke she was receiving was wrong. “ You spoke well, you’ve had 5 husband.” Even Jesus brought it up to her. And she knew she had a reputation. Don’t blame it on how people felt about her conduct. A respectable woman didn’t go around marrying 5 husbands and living with a guy in that society. The account doesn’t focus on that is was wrong for the society to have feelings about that. Seems to me she was beautiful enough for 5 men to marry her one after another so those men didn’t mind. The account focuses on her feelings.

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The (Shunned) Woman at the Well

by Sea Breeze in

i always found the account of the "woman at the well" to be particulary interesting.

this unknown shunned woman of ill-repute was specifically sought out and chosen by jesus.

why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7dzonv3iy&ab_channel=michaelpapale.

Fisherman

in spite of their moral bankrupcy.

In this case she wasn’t Mary Magdalene so her moral bankruptcy is defendable because she was married in all her previous relationships with men. Also factor-in that under Jewish law it was not viewed as moral bankruptcy for a man to have concubines and multiple wives so as a concubine ( not saying she was) she didn’t have to be married to the man. Also she was not a Jew and not really bound by Jewish law but Samaritan practices. Before the law of Moses, Moses father married his aunt, Abraham married his sister, Jacob married 2 sisters. A master could have sex with his slaves and captured women —all morally acceptable.

Even Jesus remarked though, 5 husbands! and living with a man now! But I don’t see her as a harlot or bankrupt , she obviously had issues.

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The (Shunned) Woman at the Well

by Sea Breeze in

i always found the account of the "woman at the well" to be particulary interesting.

this unknown shunned woman of ill-repute was specifically sought out and chosen by jesus.

why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7dzonv3iy&ab_channel=michaelpapale.

Fisherman

It was God’s law that sinners were to be punished not man’s so when delegated authority punishes sinners God is vicariously punishing sinners and it is a misrepresentation to say that it’s hunky-dory to commit sins and religious authority is wrong for taking action and point to this woman as an example of being mistreated as if sexual immorality is right and any rebuke she may have gotten was wrong. The guilty becomes the victim and sin and depravity is sanctified. Zacheus the despised tax collector is another example of how people can repent and God’s love and mercy and compassion. Don’t use these examples to vilify the condemnation of sin (shun) because any ostracism came vicariously from God and condemn the righteous and victimize the sinner. ( It is so funny watching on the media how people living depraved lives act tike victims when society is outraged. ) The moral of the Samaritan woman’s story is that God understands and sees the heart and forgives and mitigates what a person did in the past and forgives like a father without holding a grudge. It’s not about it’s wrong to shun or punish wrongdoers.

hard to understand how you could conclude this

I try reading. For example she articulated belief in the Messiah to come. That takes faith. Faith is a virtue.—One example of something I read in the Bible.

Nobody comes to the Father except through me.

by Fisherman in

“i am the way the truth and the life nobody comes to the father except through me,”.

this means that nobody but christian are saved according to jc.

according to wt, only jw are christians.

Fisherman

“I am the way the truth and the life NOBODY comes to the Father except through me,”

This means that nobody but Christian are saved according to JC. According to WT, only JW are Christians. Albeit that the standard has to be validated, JC said that only Christian can be saved.

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The (Shunned) Woman at the Well

by Sea Breeze in

i always found the account of the "woman at the well" to be particulary interesting.

this unknown shunned woman of ill-repute was specifically sought out and chosen by jesus.

why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7dzonv3iy&ab_channel=michaelpapale.

Fisherman

What makes you think she was not an outcast in her community before she met Jesus at the well?

What makes you think she was? Where does it say that in the Bible?

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The (Shunned) Woman at the Well

by Sea Breeze in

i always found the account of the "woman at the well" to be particulary interesting.

this unknown shunned woman of ill-repute was specifically sought out and chosen by jesus.

why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7dzonv3iy&ab_channel=michaelpapale.

Fisherman

Samaritans were shunned by the Jews

All were shunned not just this woman. In fact all non-Jews were viewed as little dogs but the subject here is this woman and her sins and her drawing water later in the day is what I was specifically addressing. She was not an outcast in the Samaritan community.

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The (Shunned) Woman at the Well

by Sea Breeze in

i always found the account of the "woman at the well" to be particulary interesting.

this unknown shunned woman of ill-repute was specifically sought out and chosen by jesus.

why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7dzonv3iy&ab_channel=michaelpapale.

Fisherman

Don’t people read the Bible. Jesus doesn’t apologize because he is perfect. The woman wasn’t shunned, she was ridiculed and humiliated for her sinful lifestyle by other women. She had been married a whole bunch of times so she must have been very beautiful. She was ashamed to be around the other women because they could mock her for having so many men. But she wasn’t an apostate or a rebel. She was a believer. After the encounter with Jesus she told everybody about him. She articulated hope on the Messiah to come. But socially in her religious community, she was being scorned because of her sexual reputation. Obviously she wasn’t vicious, hateful, angry, vindictive, cunning retaliatory and spurner of her faith. Also, JC saw in her virtues that qualified her for repentance and salvation, —Even to go to heaven and be a king with him as JW see it. God sees the whole picture in one’s life and knows the heart. “ My father is looking for such like ones to worship him.”

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New convention video: Do you see what I see?

by neat blue dog in

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Fisherman

A beard can mean waiting a loooong time—patience. Or maybe everyone is waiting for him to shave it off soon.