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  Onda Cero: Te doy mi palabra

  by sp74bb in

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  this saturday i had the opportunity to be interviewed by an important spanish radio leader: isabel gemio.. you can hear it at: link.

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  darkspilver

  Nathan Natas

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5635931333722112/_post/5694904791465984
  
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  “Sing Out Joyfully” to Jehovah

  by wifibandit in

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  What's also interesting is how the WT have used that lyric - take my silver and my gold; nothing, Lord, would I withhold - in the introduction to an article...

  (which is also kinda funny, because the following year after the article was published, the song was taken out of the purple 1966 song book)

  Watchtower 1 May 1965, pages 281 to 284

  Use of One’s Resources in a Godly Way
  

  “HONOR Jehovah with your valuable things,” says Jehovah’s inspired Word, the Holy Bible. These valuable things or resources are referred to in a song sung by the Christian witnesses of Jehovah. Called “Dedication,” the song, which appears in the booklet Songs to Jehovah’s Praise, says, in part: “Take my moments and my days, let them flow in constant praise; take my silver and my gold; nothing, Lord, would I withhold.”—Prov. 3:9.

  Using time in a Godly way (2 paragraphs long)
  Use of one's strength and energy (3 paragraphs long)
  Use of financial resourses (9 paragraphs long, excluding concluding para)
  

  
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  “Sing Out Joyfully” to Jehovah

  by wifibandit in

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  darkspilver

  By the way, what are the chances that one of the new songs doesn't have the word Jehovah in the Lyrics? I'm going to guess zero. Such fascination with the name.

  I'd say the odds are on a par with the odds of a song praising Jesus.

  For a "Christian" religion, they sure have a hard time even giving him a passing mention in their songs. Even songs ostensibly about him mention Jehovah far more frequently.
  

  Quick stats:
  

  2016: Sing Out Joyfully to Jehovah - 151 songs
  Jesus - 38 times (no song titles)
  Christ/Christian - 49 times (4 song titles)
  Jehovah - 246 times (28 song titles)
  
  2009 Sing to Jehovah - 135 songs
  Jesus - 29 times (no song titles)
  Christ/Christian - 55 times (4 song titles)
  Jehovah - 220 times (30 song titles)
  
  

  Remember that's just word counts - word might appear in title and numerous times in a single song (though if it appears in the chorus, that part is just printed the once, but sung two or more times in song)

  There are 12% more songs in the new song book.
  
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  “Sing Out Joyfully” to Jehovah

  by wifibandit in

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  darkspilver

  Now that's really interesting.

  One of the purported reasons for the switch to newer songbooks was to get away from lyrics & melodies "borrowed" from "Christendom".

  
  

  I believe the song was taken out of the purple 1966 Singing and Accompanying Yourselves With Music in Your Hearts song book (and not in the brown 1984 Sing Praises to Jehovah song book either), but reappeared in the 2009 SIng to Jehovah song book.
  
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  “Sing Out Joyfully” to Jehovah

  by wifibandit in

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  darkspilver

  Now, now wifibandit - just a copy and paste from reddit?
  
  What's the REAL story here?
  
  2016: Sing Out Joyfully to Jehovah
  Song 50: My Prayer of Dedication
  Take my moments and my days,
  let them flow in constant praise;
  take my silver and my gold;
  nothing, Lord, would I withhold
  
  So, yes, compared to the 2009 song book, the WT has added the lyric about giving silver and gold!
  
  Hmmm, but wait, does the 'take my silver and my gold' lyric sound familiar to anyone?
  
  It should do.....
  
  

  Below is the 'original' WT song

  
  1950 Songs to Jehovah's Praise
  Song 74: Dedication - 3rd verse, last line
  Take my silver and my gold;
  nothing, Lord, would I withhold
  
  1944 Kingdom Service Song Book
  Song 51: Consecration - 3rd verse, last line
  Take my silver and my gold;
  nothing, Lord, would I withhold
  
  1928 Songs of Praise to Jehovah
  Song 266: All to Thee - 3rd verse, last line
  Take my silver and my gold;
  nothing, Lord, would I withhold
  
  

  BUT, is that all?

  Well, firstly, the line has been put back in

  And secondly?

  I say WT 'original' (in quotes), because you really should check out one of Christendom's hymns

  
  "Take My Life and Let it Be" - 4th verse
  Take my silver and my gold,
  Not a mite would I withhold.
  Take my intellect and use
  Every pow’r as Thou shalt choose.
  

  http://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1801-1900/frances-havergal-wrote-take-my-life-and-let-it-be-11630571.html

  https://www.hymnal.net/en/hymn/h/445

  Link to scans from below
  

  1950 Songs to Jehovah's Praise
  

  
  

  
  
  1944 Kingdom Service Song Book
  
  
  1928 Songs of Praise to Jehovah
  

  
  

  
  
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  Livestream! Memorial Service for JW George Kraynak - Sat 1 Oct 2016

  by darkspilver in

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  this coming saturday!.

  memorial service for jehovah's witness george kraynak.

  being broadcast worldwide as a livestream direct from the sharon kingdom hall of jehovah's witnesses at 2885 hann hill rd, hermitage, pennsylvania usa.

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  haha!

  Article online today inthe UK's Guardian
  

  Live-streamed funerals: the rise of the virtual mourner

  For those who can’t pass on their condolences in person, webcast funerals are proving increasingly popular. But could they detract from the grieving process?

  There aren’t many aspects of life that don’t have an online alternative – and these days that includes death.

  An increasing number of funerals in the UK are now live streamed for the benefit of far-flung mourners. Anyone unable to make it to the crematorium on the day can simply log in and watch from home, or from anywhere with an internet connection.

  But the webcast funeral is not as newfangled as it might sound. HD Tribe in West Sussex, for example, has offered live streaming for nine years, and funeral director Max Webber estimates that between a quarter and a third of all their services make use if it. “We have a camera at the back of our chapel, which we turn on,” he says. “It’s always done at the request of the family.” HD Tribe doesn’t charge extra for live streaming, although some places do. At Southampton crematorium it costs £50. Llanelli crematorium charges £80 for a webcast, plus £65 for a DVD.

  https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2016/oct/03/live-streamed-funerals-virtual-mourner
  
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  “Sing Out Joyfully” to Jehovah

  by wifibandit in

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  darkspilver

  haha - that's the 1984 brown song book again
  

  I hope the molested bees are back.....

  Song 125: “Jehovah Is on My Side”
  I know that in this crucial hour, My faith will yet be tested.
  Around me swarms the Devil’s crowd, Like bees that were molested.
  But I can ever beat them off, Beneath divine protection.
  On those who love to bear his name,God sets his deep affection.
  
  

  Oh and the cheerful melody about "L-a-a-a-a-a-zarus lay sle-e-e-e-e-e-ping...in a cold stone grave...."
  

  Song 102: The Resurrection Joy
  Lazarus lay sleeping, In a cold stone grave.
  How his sisters mourned him! None there him could save.
  
  
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  More Anti Tight Pants Content

  by konceptual99 in

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  just skimming the latest study wt that has been posted and what did i see...?.

  i wonder what the message is that they want the flock to take from this picture?.

  there is also an article about training younger men to take over responsibilities.

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  haha, the thing that stands out for me is the brothers with too short trousers, would be ok for informal/jeans, but not on a 'suit'?
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  “Sing Out Joyfully” to Jehovah

  by wifibandit in

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  darkspilver

  Some have been completely re-written
  Compare 5 with 13
  Compare 15 with 11
  

  Some have had quite a few single words changed
  Compare 1 with 1

  Some have line changes
  Compare 86 with 137
  "Loyalty, courage, goodness, loving-kindness" becomes "Goodness and courage, loyal love and kindness"
  
  
  

  If you're interested - probably not - the table below may help you compare etc (IF the forum formats it correctly) - sorry it seems the borders have been removed and the color coding I added have been removed - oh well, hopefully still kinda readable.....
  

  
  

  OLD	NEW
  All Things Made New 14
  “Assist Those Who Are Weak” 42	“Assist Those Who Are Weak” 102
  Beauty in Gray-Headedness 90	Beauty in Gray-Headedness 138
  Be Forgiving 77	Be Forgiving 130
  Be Steadfast, Unmovable! 32	Be Steadfast, Immovable! 122
  Bless Our Meeting Together 20	Bless Our Meeting Together 93
  Children Are a Trust From God 88	Children Area Trust From God 134
  Christian Dedication 7	Christian Dedication 52
  Christ, Our Exemplar 5	Christ, Our Model 13
  Come! Be Refreshed 119	Come! Be Refreshed 87
  Come to Jehovah’s Mountain 107	Come to Jehovah’s Mountain 24
  Content With God’s Good Gifts 94
  Creation Reveals Jehovah’s Glory 15	Creation Praises God 11
  Cultivating the Quality of Love 72	Cultivating the Quality of Love 106
  Daily Walking With Jehovah 48	Daily Walking With Jehovah 48
  Declare the Good News 47	Declare the Good News 66
  The Divine Pattern of Love 50	The Divine Pattern of Love 107
  Encourage One Another 121	Encourage One Another 90
  Enduring to the End 135	Enduring to the End 128
  Ever Loyal 63	Ever Loyal 124
  	“Exercise Patience” 114
  Faithful Women, Christian Sisters 86	Faithful Women, Christian Sisters 137
  Fear Them Not! 33	Fear Them Not! 55
  Flee to God’s Kingdom! 16
  Forward, You Ministers of the Kingdom! 97
  Forward, You Witnesses! 17	Forward, You Witnesses! 61
  “From House to House” 103	“From House to House” 83
  A Full Reward From Jehovah 85
  Gaining Jehovah’s Friendship 106	Gaining Jehovah’s Friendship 28
  “Give Us More Faith” 81	“Give Us More Faith” 118
  “God Is Love” 3	“God Is Love” 105
  God’s Gift of Holy Spirit 71	God’s Gift of Holy Spirit 104
  God’s Loyal Love 18	God’s Loyal Love 108
  God’s Own Book—A Treasure 114	God’s Own Book—A Treasure 96
  God’s Promise of Paradise 19	God’s Promise of Paradise 145
  God’s Wondrous Works 110	God’s Wondrous Works 5
  	Go Forward in Preaching the Kingdom! 69
  	Grant Us Boldness 73
  Grateful for God’s Word 113	Grateful for God’s Word 94
  	Grateful for the Ransom 18
  Gratitude for Divine Patience 35	Gratitude for Divine Patience 115
  Great God, Jehovah 112	Great God, Jehovah 12
  Guard Your Heart 52
  Happy, the Merciful! 21	“Happy Are the Merciful!” 125
  Hail Jehovah’s Firstborn! 109
  The Heavens Declare God’s Glory 105	The Heavens Declare God’s Glory 6
  He Will Call 111	He Will Call 151
  He Will Make You Strong 60	He Will Make You Strong 38
  “Here I Am! Send Me” 10	“Here I Am! Send Me!” 75
  Holding Fast to Our Hope 129	Holding Fast to Our Hope 142
  	How Does It Make You Feel? 76
  Imitate Christ’s Mildness 82	Imitate Christ’s Mildness 120
  	It Means Their Life 60
  “I Want To” 84	“I Want To” 17
  Jehovah Begins His Rule 30	Jehovah Begins His Rule 23
  Jehovah, God of Peace 76	Jehovah, God of Peace 112
  “Jehovah Is My Shepherd” 22	“Jehovah Is My Shepherd” 4
  Jehovah Is Our King! 46	Jehovah Is Our King! 9
  Jehovah Is Our Refuge 49	Jehovah Is Our Refuge 8
  	Jehovah Is Your Name 2
  Jehovah, Our Strength 23	Jehovah, Our Strength 7
  Jehovah Provides Escape 131	Jehovah Provides Escape 148
  Jehovah’s Attributes 1	Jehovah’s Attributes 1
  Jehovah’s Warm Appeal: “Be Wise, My Son” 89	Jehovah’s Warm Appeal: “Be Wise, My Son” 135
  Join in the Kingdom Song! 102	Join in the Kingdom Song! 74
  The Joy of Jehovah 74	“The Joy of Jehovah” 110
  Keep On Seeking First the Kingdom 40	Keep On Seeking First the Kingdom 21
  	Keep Working, Watching, and Waiting 143
  Keep Your Eyes on the Prize! 24	Keep Your Eyes on the Prize! 144
  	The Kingdom Is in Place — Let It Come! 22
  “Let Your Light Shine” 93	“Let Your Light Shine” 82
  	Life Depends on God’s Word 97
  Life Everlasting Is Promised 12	Life Everlasting Is Promised 147
  	The Life of a Pioneer 81
  Life Without End—At Last! 55	Life Without End — At Last! 140
  The Light Gets Brighter 116	The Light Gets Brighter 95
  	Light in a Darkened World 77
  Listen, Obey, and Be Blessed 120	Listen, Obey, and Be Blessed 89
  Living Up to Our Name 34	Living Up to Our Name 29
  Long-Suffering 78
  The Lord’s Evening Meal 8	The Lord’s Evening Meal 19
  Love Intensely From the Heart 73	Love Intensely From the Heart 109
  Loyally Submitting to Theocratic Order 125	Loyally Submitting to Theocratic Order 123
  	Make a Good Name With God 39
  Make Me Know Your Ways 69	Make Me Know Your Ways 88
  “Make Sure of the More Important Things” 70	“Make Sure of the More Important Things” 35
  Make the Truth Your Own 64	Make the Truth Your Own 56
  	“Making All Things New” 146
  Making a Good Name With God 4
  Making Jehovah’s Heart Glad 11	Making Jehovah’s Heart Glad 49
  Making Known the Kingdom Truth 101	Making Known the Kingdom Truth 72
  Making Our Way Successful 115
  The Meditation of My Heart 57	The Meditation of My Heart 45
  The Miracle of Life 130	The Miracle of Life 141
  Move Ahead! 45	Move Ahead! 65
  My Father, My God and Friend 91	My Father, My God and Friend 30
  My Prayer of Dedication 58	My Prayer of Dedication 50
  Myriads of Brothers 122	Myriads of Brothers 99
  The New Song 28	The New Song 62
  Now We Are One 87	Now We Are One 132
  Oh, Walk With God! 26	Oh, Walk With God! 31
  Our Labor of Love 126	Our Labor of Love 91
  Our Possession of Peace 39	Our Possession of Peace 113
  Our Reasons for Joy75	Our Reasons for Joy 111
  	Our Strength, Our Hope, Our Confidence 3
  	“A Perfect Wage” From Jehovah 136
  A Place Bearing Your Name 127	A Place Bearing Your Name 92
  Please Hear My Prayer 56	Please Hear My Prayer 41
  The Power of Kindness 79	The Power of Kindness 116
  	Praise Jah for His Son, the Anointed 16
  Praise Jah With Me104	Praise Jah With Me 59
  Praise Jehovah for His Kingdom 108
  Praise Jehovah, Our God! 9	Praise Jehovah Our God! 10
  	Praise Jehovah’s Firstborn! 15
  Praising Earth’s New King 99	Praising Earth’s New King 14
  The Prayer of God’s Servant 6	The Prayer of God’s Servant 42
  A Prayer of Thanksgiving 13	A Prayer of Thanks 43
  A Prayer of the Lowly One 68	A Prayer of the Lowly One 44
  Pray to Jehovah Each Day 67	Pray to Jehovah Each Day 47
  	Preaching to All Sorts of People 57
  “Preach the Word” 92	“Preach the Word” 67
  Proof of Discipleship 25
  	Preparing to Preach 53
  The Quality of Goodness 80	The Quality of Goodness 117
  	Reaching Out 84
  Receive Them With Hospitality 124	Receive Them With Hospitality 100
  The Scene of This World Is Changing 128
  	The Revealing of God’s Sons 27
  The Scriptures—Inspired of God 37	The Scriptures — Inspired of God 98
  	Searching for Friends of Peace 58
  Seek Out Deserving Ones 96	Search Out Deserving Ones 70
  Seek God for Your Deliverance 133	Seek God for Your Deliverance 150
  See Yourself When All Is New 134	See Yourself When All Is New 139
  Serving Jehovah Whole-Souled 66	Serving Jehovah Whole-Souled 37
  Sharing Joyfully in the Harvest 44	Sharing Joyfully in the Harvest 64
  Shepherds—Gifts in Men 123	Shepherds — Gifts in Men 103
  	The Sort of Person I Should Be 127
  Sowing Kingdom Seed 98	Sowing Kingdom Seed 68
  	A Special Possession 25
  Stay Awake, Stand Firm, Grow Mighty 43	Stay Awake, Stand Firm, Grow Mighty 126
  Take Sides With Jehovah! 27	Take Sides With Jehovah! 32
  “Taste and See That Jehovah Is Good” 95	Taste and See That Jehovah Is Good 80
  	“Teaching the Word of God” 78
  	Teach Them to Stand Firm 79
  “This Is the Way” 65	“This Is the Way” 54
  Throw Your Burden on Jehovah 38	Throw Your Burden on Jehovah 33
  To God We Are Dedicated! 59	To God We Are Dedicated! 51
  To Whom Do We Belong? 62	To Whom Do We Belong? 40
  A Victory Song 132	A Victory Song 149
  Walking in Integrity 29	Walking in Integrity 34
  We Are Jehovah’s Army! 100	We Are Jehovah’s Army! 71
  	We Guard Our Hearts 36
  Welcome One Another 118	Welcome One Another 85
  We Must Have the Faith 54	We Must Be Taught 86
  	We Must Have Faith 119
  We Need Self-Control 83	We Need Self-Control 121
  We Are Jehovah’s Witnesses! 31	We’re Jehovah’s Witnesses! 63
  We Thank You, Jehovah 2	We Thank You, Jehovah 46
  We Cleave to Jehovah 51
  	We Will Keep Enduring 129
  We Must Be Taught 117
  “What God Has Yoked Together” 36	“What God Has Yoked Together” 131
  What Sort of Person I Should Be 61
  Working Together in Unity 53	Working Together in Unity 101
  Worship Jehovah During Youth 41	Worship Jehovah During Youth 133
  	You Did It for Me 26
  	You Gave Your Precious Son 20
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  “Sing Out Joyfully” to Jehovah

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  darkspilver

  haha - that's the 1984 brown song book
  

  Song 168: Recognizing Earth’s New King
  
  Kiss the Son, lest God be angry
  And you perish in the way.
  Happy are all they that put
  Their trust in him today!