Do you think we'll be seeing negative growth anytime soon? Like a decline in publishers? So far they've been able to keep every year a growth minus one year here and there.
thedepressedsoul
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Are JW's inflating their numbers?
by thedepressedsoul init can be anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes!
as long as you've had a literature discussion three times, you can start counting it as a study.
first, they say you can now count only 15 minutes a month.
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How Much Do Circuit Overseers Make Under the Table, and is it Taxable?
by Tazemanian-devil ini was thinking about green handshakes, and i knew my wife and i personally would try to slide at least $100 each c.o visit to the c.o.
if we were low on cash, we'd never hand him less than $20.
how many of such handshakes does he receive in a weeks time?
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thedepressedsoul
I know that each hall they visit the submit an expense list. Their food, dry cleaning etc... The congregation agrees to pay it. They use to "vote" on it where everyone said yes but now halls just pay it without the needing to vote.
I also know of a sister who has huge mental problems. The elders are aware and so is the congregation. As in, she's not stable and everyone know it. She gave the CO her tax rebate of over $600 and he took it without the bat of an eye. Even knowing that she had mental issues.
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Are JW's inflating their numbers?
by thedepressedsoul init can be anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes!
as long as you've had a literature discussion three times, you can start counting it as a study.
first, they say you can now count only 15 minutes a month.
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thedepressedsoul
Lately I'm just not buying their official numbers. I've since waken up I've been noticing that a lot of their changes have actually inflated their numbers. Let me explain:
First, a study got changed to 15 minutes or less as long as it happened 3 times. I remember when a study wasn't a study until you got invited into their house and had an hour long discussion with the person every week. The person had to be very interested to qualify for a study. I'm sure a lot of you will remember that from back in the day. Now, you can count a study if you've met with the person 3 times! It can be anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes! As long as you've had a literature discussion three times, you can start counting it as a study. Has their number of studies actually gone up by how much they claim or did how they count a study add a huge boost to the numbers?
Secondly, they did changes to publishers and counting time. First, they say you can now count only 15 minutes a month. Can you imagine anyone trying to explain to an elder that they can't witness 15 minutes a month? It doesn't matter if you're dying of illness, in a nursing home, fading, or stuck at home. You have no excuse not to count 15 minutes per month. I'd love to see how many active publishers alone that change added. You also have had a push for younger baptisms in the last few years. How much of this 2% growth is actually just young kids getting baptized because they are pressured by their peers, parents and elders? It use to not be considered a good idea to baptize young. We are going to start seeing this pushed more and more! An inflation of numbers.
Third, they love to go off of "peak publishers" in their reports. What exactly is "peak publishers"? I'm assuming it's the most they had at any given month during the year, maybe they don't include DF ones or inactive ones until later in the year? I really don't know but I do know that if I planned my yearly finances on my "peak income" I'd be in deep trouble the remaining 11 months out of the year! They are providing a very biased and inflated number!
In my congregation alone, in the last calendar year we had 2 baptized. 1 a born in and the other has witness family (high pressure). But, we've had 3 died, 1 completely leave, 3DF and 1 or 2 that went inactive. That's just my hall! I am hearing very similar situations for various other halls.
It is boggling my mind how there is any growth what so ever in the US! From my observations something is not adding up! I remember huge lines of people being baptized and the assemblies and conventions. Our last assembly had like 4 total! Our last convention didn't even have that many! Something is fishy with their statistics.
Have they secretly stopped removing DF ones from their numbers?
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No mention of DF in new brochure?
by thedepressedsoul ini went on my tablet today and clicked "yes" that i attended the convention (they probably tracked my ip and two elders will show up on my door step).
i scanned through the new brochure on bringing those who have left back.
i noticed that not once they mentioned anyone who was df!
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thedepressedsoul
I interested in the direction of how this brochure will be used though.
It does seem too PR friendly though.
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New WT video: Like taking money from a baby!
by WingCommander injust when you thought may's jw dot org video featuring wide-eyed cult lunatic gb lett guilting the masses into giving every last dime they have couldn't be topped, your children will now be fed a guilt-inducing cartoon in which they are guilted into giving every last cent they have to the wt cult.
the wt entitles this one, "give us your money!
even your children are to be shaken down!
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You wait, the elders will be coming around asking to see if you have a credit card linked up to JW.org for monthly donations. -
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No mention of DF in new brochure?
by thedepressedsoul ini went on my tablet today and clicked "yes" that i attended the convention (they probably tracked my ip and two elders will show up on my door step).
i scanned through the new brochure on bringing those who have left back.
i noticed that not once they mentioned anyone who was df!
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thedepressedsoul
I went on my tablet today and clicked "Yes" that I attended the convention (They probably tracked my IP and two elders will show up on my door step)
I scanned through the new brochure on bringing those who have left back. I noticed that not once they mentioned anyone who was DF! It only talked about those who have left.
I don't think they are getting ride of the DF arrangement but, is this brochure only for inactive?
It doesn't make sense to me since most leave and are then DF or are in the process of leaving when they are DF. I don't get what is going on and how this brochure can be used.
Also, it shows the GB are getting worried about their numbers if they're stooping to this level or trying to get old members back.
Lastly, did they really think a Yes or No question was a good security measure to not have the publications released ahead of time? Hate to see them make a Anti-virus program!
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I think the WT believed their own "growth" statements - Financial Trouble Thoughts
by thedepressedsoul inwe've all read, heard and have seen in the videos where jw's and their leaders talk about the "huge" growth that is taking place.
they've talked about how many kh they needed, branches etc... .
our co last visit he mentioned how quickly the organization is speeding up and the huge growth they are seeing.
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thedepressedsoul
Yea, I just watched the May broadcast. It shows a sister using a credit card to set up a donation online, most likely automatic.
My guess is this gets pushed a lot more. Now, not only are they taking donations online but they expect the hall to keep paying the same amount! Someone is double dipping.
We'll see this arrangement pushed a lot more. Each publisher will be checked up on and asked if they have a automatic donation set up online.
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I think the WT believed their own "growth" statements - Financial Trouble Thoughts
by thedepressedsoul inwe've all read, heard and have seen in the videos where jw's and their leaders talk about the "huge" growth that is taking place.
they've talked about how many kh they needed, branches etc... .
our co last visit he mentioned how quickly the organization is speeding up and the huge growth they are seeing.
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thedepressedsoul
I just find it ironic. They tell people not to go to college, not to have a good paying job, work part time, wash windows but then are confused when there is no money coming in.
I want to smack them upside the head and yell, "What did you think would happen!"
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I think the WT believed their own "growth" statements - Financial Trouble Thoughts
by thedepressedsoul inwe've all read, heard and have seen in the videos where jw's and their leaders talk about the "huge" growth that is taking place.
they've talked about how many kh they needed, branches etc... .
our co last visit he mentioned how quickly the organization is speeding up and the huge growth they are seeing.
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thedepressedsoul
Like I've said before, falling for one's own bullshit becomes surprisingly easy when you surround yourself solely with people who are never allowed to disagree with you.
I agree 100%. That's what I was trying to get across.
If you are surrounded by people that tell you, you are amazing at baseball. They keep telling you this none stop. All of the sudden you play against an actual baseball team and get your pants knocked off. It's going to be a very hard pill to swallow. All those years you truly thought you were a good baseball player because of what everyone around you was telling you.
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I think the WT believed their own "growth" statements - Financial Trouble Thoughts
by thedepressedsoul inwe've all read, heard and have seen in the videos where jw's and their leaders talk about the "huge" growth that is taking place.
they've talked about how many kh they needed, branches etc... .
our co last visit he mentioned how quickly the organization is speeding up and the huge growth they are seeing.
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thedepressedsoul
That's how the rich do it, Stock, treasury bills, and property.
Yea, I think they got burned with stocks though. The issue may be that they are running out of liquid cash to plop on these properties. Not to mention they may not be getting as much back from them like they thought they would.