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  This too Shall Pass (RC Commission vs WTS)

  by undercover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while i'm glad that the practices of the wts are under review and the australian commission is taking them to task, i'm not really expecting huge changes in the long run.

  oh, they may have to agree to some changes in how they report crimes brought to elders' attention, but this excitement over the supposed expose of wt practices shall pass, and jws will soon be canvassing neighborhoods and rolling their carts, looking for converts.

  conventions will go on.

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  Steve2

  Also, it already serves as a robust validation of former Witnesses (e.g., Barbara Anderson, Bill Bowen, etc) who have worked tirelessly to articulate genuine concerns about the JW organization's harmful policies and procedures on responding to abuse allegations.

  This is a good point and a valuable form of validation for those who have really stuck their necks out. I include those victims who testified in this instance. They were the ones with strong voices of out rage and hurt. The elders and Co were pathetic in contrast to those women.

  The voices of those men were croaking, mouths were dry, amnesia was running rampant. It was not a good look for such a religious organization that has gloated over every other religion being called to account in the past. Now, WTdom is just another American made religion born at a time when many others were forming......
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  This too Shall Pass (RC Commission vs WTS)

  by undercover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while i'm glad that the practices of the wts are under review and the australian commission is taking them to task, i'm not really expecting huge changes in the long run.

  oh, they may have to agree to some changes in how they report crimes brought to elders' attention, but this excitement over the supposed expose of wt practices shall pass, and jws will soon be canvassing neighborhoods and rolling their carts, looking for converts.

  conventions will go on.

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  My family has an elder, a young elder who was over there the whole time. He was freaking out and at the same time outraged that the RC had dared to have the Shepherding book. Too bad. They had it and there was nothing anyone could do about that.

  She was constantly receiving blow by blow accounts. I tell you. All JWs in Australia know ALL about this. What they will do, is pretend they don't know about it to those on the outside who will ask for opinions.
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  This too Shall Pass (RC Commission vs WTS)

  by undercover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while i'm glad that the practices of the wts are under review and the australian commission is taking them to task, i'm not really expecting huge changes in the long run.

  oh, they may have to agree to some changes in how they report crimes brought to elders' attention, but this excitement over the supposed expose of wt practices shall pass, and jws will soon be canvassing neighborhoods and rolling their carts, looking for converts.

  conventions will go on.

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  Dagney
  

  28 minutes ago

  The genie cannot be put back into the bottle. By having these proceedings on youtube, it is forever out there to stumble upon.

  And there we have it..... The process of the RC is forever on the internet. People will always be curious. There is good video evidence now available in the public domain.

  The WTBTS can order the r@f not to look at them, but really..........curiosity is a big part of our makeup and being ordered not to do this or look at by people who claim such exulted status is not going to stop many from having a "peek". Then another.........I know this commission will not force great change. I just want it there, all ready and served up for future generations to access. WT does not control the internet, only it's own site. Of that I am very glad.
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  A question the Chair (Mclellan) may want to ask G. Jackson

  by Indian Larry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mr. jackson, we have heard testimony from mr spinks and mr. obrien that women will never have leadership positions in the congregation.

  as i understand it mr. jackson, you interpret revelation 7 to mean that only 144,000 will go to heaven and that these 144,000 will rule the earth.

  i also understand that your organization teaches that women are part of this "remnant" of 144,000. can you explain why jesus christ is willing to put women in leadership over the entire earth but you are not willing to permit them to have anything to do with helping victims of pedophiles in your congregation?

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  The thing is. This Commission isn't really about actual beliefs.........that is, unless those beliefs hurt children and suppress the women.

  Questions like that are quite the focus of this commission. I wish they had a stronger look at the financials too.

  As of now, so many people are saying he just won't turn up on this and other forums. I wonder, why do so many feel this way?

  Imagine how the abused ones feel at the thought of not getting the disclosure of all the societies rotten actions brought out into the light of day?

  Perhaps I am naive in hoping this testimony/question time will happen and that some revelations are made apparent to all who are able to take actions.
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  A question the Chair (Mclellan) may want to ask G. Jackson

  by Indian Larry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mr. jackson, we have heard testimony from mr spinks and mr. obrien that women will never have leadership positions in the congregation.

  as i understand it mr. jackson, you interpret revelation 7 to mean that only 144,000 will go to heaven and that these 144,000 will rule the earth.

  i also understand that your organization teaches that women are part of this "remnant" of 144,000. can you explain why jesus christ is willing to put women in leadership over the entire earth but you are not willing to permit them to have anything to do with helping victims of pedophiles in your congregation?

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  I'll email it for you. If anyone has a good question, one that is virtually impossible to avoid answering due to their own literature. PM the questions and I'll copy and send. No problems with that. The questions and information that have been sent in by people have not been ignored. The commission took some good information leads and came to understand the GBs power, the Theo ...Warfare.....
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  GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .

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  www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

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  On the Royal Commission site the date, time and who is coming to testify is all there.

  There is no "anticipation word". If he doesn't front. the shit will hit the fan.....
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  GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .

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  www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

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  You know what? I'm going to remain as neutral in my thinking as possible, because I have found that so much was revealed in this RC. His Honour and Stewart were so savvy, and caught the glib mouthed elders, lawyers et ale... in lies and deceptions time and again.

  I underestimated the strength of Stewart for a few minutes there...........then I realized this was a huge team of over 300 staff involved in the RC into WTower practices and it was all flooding out. I have to have some faith about the capacity of this RC to override the diversions and half truths.

  What I am saying is..............I am going to pump all my good thoughts toward this RC and those who will question. If Jackson doesn't turn up, he will be in deep deep legal trouble. We have extradition agreements between America and Australia.
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  GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .

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  www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

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  Oh........huge sigh! Less tightness in chest.............a bit less stress.............

  Thank god!!! I was so worried that WT sliminess would prevail and he would get away.

  I think this is one of the best outcomes I could ever have imagined. I know it will mean so much for so many. I don't expect a miracle but I hope they grill him and grill relentlessly until he is forced into telling the bloody truth. Or.......he lies and lies and they let him lie, then they give him some nice documents that fly right in the face of his/their, deceptions.

  That funny little prayer I found on that small site was right after all.
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  Reddit Master directory of Royal Commission Highlights.

  by Lemonp in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there is a reddit thread that has been put up that has direct youtube links to highlights of the royal commission.. .

  reddit link click here.

  hope it is helpful.

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  Will do Lemon party. org. I too, wish to see this topic addressed until something concrete comes out of it....I don't mean the sort of concrete used by gangsters either....
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  Dissent on JW-Archive

  by bemused in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the posts about the australian royal commission there have been several references to discussions on jw-archive.

  i'd not heard of that site, so checked it out.

  it seems to be used by many active jws - its tumblr style archive is full of pictures of jws doing their thing.

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  I love these comments. All of you are as mad as hatters and smart at the same time.

  Just spoke with my D associated sis, she is still very defensive of this religion. The discussion was just plain tense, so tense and I know it's because she might still believe that this is the truth and this is a worldly Satanic attack on the society.

  Never had such a tense discussion like that before in a long time. Her daughter is a full in JW along with her husband.

  So, you never know how anyone is going to respond to unflattering revelations about WTland.