bondage of the flesh and nature, yes. "slaves to sin". but "when I WISH WISH WISH (WILL) TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT, WHAT IS BAD IS IN (THE NATURE) OF ME". Paul "willed" but his "nature" got in the way. so no, not necessarily the same thing.
SS your arguement is with scripture.
"He that willeth" in Romans 9 has been explained, but apparently summarily and arrogantly and unreasonably dismissed by the Tulip-Sniffers. so there's just so much I can say and write about it.
Check your NWT
Rom 9:11
for when they
had not yet been born nor had practiced anything good or vile, in order that the purpose of God
respecting the choosing might continue dependent, not upon works, but upon the One who calls,
Rom 9:12
it was said to her: "The older will be the slave of the younger."
What if the older has a will that he feels should be considered, that he should not have to serve the younger even though it is decreed
Rom 9:13
Just as it is written: "I loved Jacob, but E'sau I hated."
Why is Esau forbidden to serve Jehovah? Where is Esaus' will?
Rom 9:14
What shall we say, then? Is there injustice with God? Never may that become so!
Rom 9:15
For he says to Moses: "I will have mercy upon whomever I do have mercy, and I will show compassion to whomever I do show compassion."
Rom 9:16
So, then, it depends, not upon the one wishing
nor upon the one running, but upon God, who has mercy.
Rom 9:17
For the Scripture says to Phar'aoh: "For this very cause
I have let you remain, that in connection with you I may show my power, and that my name may be declared in all the earth."
Why does Pharoah have to sit back and let Jehovah run things? Oh thats right you said Pharoah acted that way first.
Rom 9:18
So, then, upon
whom he wishes he has mercy,
but whom he wishes he lets become obstinate.
Where is mankinds say in the above?
Rom 9:19 You will therefore say to me: "Why does he yet find fault? For who has
withstood his express will?" The Bible even says that SweetScholar will question Jehovahs will. You reffered to that scenerio as an unreasonable tyrant.
Rom 9:20 O man, who, then, really are you to be answering back to God? Shall the thing molded say to him that molded it, "Why did you make me this
way?" Same here. What way SweetScholar has a will.
Rom 9:21 What? Does not the potter have authority over the clay to make from the same lump one vessel for an honorable use, another for a dishonorable use?
Does not Jehovah have authority over SweetScholar?
Rom 9:22 If, now, God, although having the will to demonstrate his wrath and to make his power known, tolerated with much long-suffering
vessels of wrath made fit for destruction,But not you.
Rom 9:23 in order that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he prepared beforehand for glory,
Whats beforehand SweetScholar?
the point though is THAT I ANSWERED YOUR POINTS AND QUESTIONS with Scripture and history and logic and whatever, though you didn't necessarily agree with the answers.
That might work out in service, not here. Ironically reading Romans alone by yourself is what caused the shake up at Bethel in the early 80s, proceed with caution.
