i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.
17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.
"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?
Deputy,
this kind of theology, what we've seen here in the previous pages of this thread is indictitive of the " I know better, trust me" mindset of the Org.
I all sounds fluid until questions are asked and issues are examined. Lets work this out, Michael vs. Jesus, what came into Marys womb amd what has risen to the heavens.
Any takers? I'm all ears.........
i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.
17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.
"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?
Deputy,
This presents some interesting problems for JW teaching. They teach that Jesus was just a man. That's fine except that would mean that someone who lived in heaven (as spirit in nature) came down to live in the flesh. What Joseph can't seem to see is that if anything came down, Jesus must have had, a dual nature, Spirit and flesh.
I dont want to confuse the WT issue further but along with what happened to Michael after the life was transferred to earth is the same problem with what happened to Christs fleshly body after three days in the tomb.
I believe the wt response to the two points above is a remarkable strectch of the imagination, in that the WT has to get rid of to beings.
a) one is the spirit Michael......by, as you put it, killing him or suicide
b) the fleshly human body of Christ......disolved into gases, and Christ looking around for another body like his with the same holes in it.
Finally who now resides in heaven and what is his name?
Does Michael come back on the scene?
I feel that a) represents Joe's problem because he has to get rid of Michael but doesnt go into detail on how this is done.
i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.
17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.
"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?
The question remains and your inability to answer it. Further who do you think John was reffering to?
i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.
17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.
"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?
Your funny Joe. Same result when we discussed Yahweh's glory. Why do you think I started off my post with the rhetorical questioning to you about the glory issue you so well skirted a couple years ago?
i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.
17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.
"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?
Joe, from nwt;
Mat 3:3
This, in fact, is the one spoken of through Isaiah the prophet in these words: "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness, 'Prepare the way of Jehovah, YOU people! Make his roads straight.'"Joh 1:23
He said: "I am a voice of someone crying out in the wilderness, 'MAKE the way of Jehovah straight,' just as Isaiah the prophet said."Luk 3:4
just as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet: "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness, 'Prepare the way of Jehovah, YOU people, make his roads straightIsa 40:3
Listen! Someone is calling out in the wilderness: "Clear up the way of Jehovah, YOU people! MAKE the highway for our God through the desert plain straight.LOL. Im afraid not Joe.Oh that's right, you do not know the answer. You had to copy mine.
Joseph
i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.
17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.
"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?
Well this did: De 28:24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou bedestroyed.
And 2Ki 1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
And then there is: Isa 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
Then again we know that: Da 4:23 And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him;
And of course we have: Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. The Son of man. Not some person of the Trinity.
What say you? Your all over the board there Joe. Its ok not to want to answer, I know what it does to positions that are akin to yours.
i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.
17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.
"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?
LOL,
What happened to Michaels being while Jesus was playing human on earth?.....Any takers?
This is why I can just about kick myself for getting into the thread, because its the same nonsense years later. You have a thought about Christs' existence and no one to step up and show there work. Amazing.
All I have done in this thread is ask a question. Thats it, one question.
1) What came down from heaven?
i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.
17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.
"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?
JWs only beleive in body and spirit- and they teach the spiriti, like electricity, does not take on any of the characteristics of the person. Becomes a tangled web of multiple contradictions.
So really just asking the question; what came down from heaven, certainly allows one to rationalize Christs' existence outside of the heavenly realm.
Perhaps the wicked angels of Noahs day were able to take on fleshly bodies, and then return to the spirit realm, but not Christ.
i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.
17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.
"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?
Hey Deputy, Feel like your in that study with the Jws again? Still no answer on what came down heaven, sure everybody says who came down from heaven, as I expected the jumping through hoops has begun. I almost fell off my chair, when Joseph answered "transferred life" thats right out of the "Live for ever" book or the "what the Bible really teaches" Good stuff. Btw. What happened to Michaels being while Jesus was playing human on earth?.....Any takers?
i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.
17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.
"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?
Isaac,
As Im sure your aware,not only does Yahweh share his glory, Christ just about demands it in his prayer, " give me the glory I had with you" Its the same result when asked "what came down from heaven" Deputy Dog poses the question that makes the wheels fall off of many held positions. In the end their arguement is with scripture not the one asking the question.
This type of questioning works very well with the witness, and the Mormon. which Ive seen the Deputy in action, first hand.
Its amazing what people will do with Christs' existence to make sense of there own position.
