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  Why God Cannot Have Used Evolution....

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is an article from the 'stand to reason' ministry.

  this is why i evolution and creation are incompatible.

  designed by chance .

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  ellderwho

  SNG,

  Thanks, although I believe I stumbled across it, happy T-day.

  EW
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  107

  Why God Cannot Have Used Evolution....

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is an article from the 'stand to reason' ministry.

  this is why i evolution and creation are incompatible.

  designed by chance .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ellderwho

  Dave,

  The point is that while randomness plays a role in creating mutations that natural selection can draw from,....."

  This idea seems to be putting the cart before the horse, it assumes that natural selection exist prior to randomness starting things. And that natural selection knows what naturally its suposed to do. The end result would be nature taking its own random course, which in turn would not be natural law, just random nature. I think?

  Anyway I'd like to take a look at how SNGs thread puts it together.

  EW
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  107

  Why God Cannot Have Used Evolution....

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is an article from the 'stand to reason' ministry.

  this is why i evolution and creation are incompatible.

  designed by chance .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ellderwho

  Satanus,

  Perhaps your right, our world views differ in how we make an account for order in them, good chatting.

  EW
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  107

  Why God Cannot Have Used Evolution....

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is an article from the 'stand to reason' ministry.

  this is why i evolution and creation are incompatible.

  designed by chance .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ellderwho

  
  Dave,

  Randomness has little to do with evolution.

  How little? editted to add: I guess it depends how random the said begining was.
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  107

  Why God Cannot Have Used Evolution....

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is an article from the 'stand to reason' ministry.

  this is why i evolution and creation are incompatible.

  designed by chance .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ellderwho

  Satanus

  Was uniformity in the past? If so, when and for how long was it? By uniformity, do you mean linearity? Just making sure of out terms.

  I believe there was and is uniformity. I would like to think I can rely on natural law. By linear I would say its a reliable pattern of causation.
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  107

  Why God Cannot Have Used Evolution....

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is an article from the 'stand to reason' ministry.

  this is why i evolution and creation are incompatible.

  designed by chance .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ellderwho

  Dan,

  If one experiment fails or turns out to be faulty in some way, that doesn't mean the case is closed

  I agree, however does not science rely on the uniformity of nature? ie. previous lab work.
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  107

  Why God Cannot Have Used Evolution....

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is an article from the 'stand to reason' ministry.

  this is why i evolution and creation are incompatible.

  designed by chance .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ellderwho

  Satanus,

  Because, as far as i can see, nothing is linear. Therefore the present tendencies towards order, wherever they are, on earth or out there, may not be linear iether. Probably everything is curved. So, the present rate will either increase or decrease. If it increases, that will be wonderful. If it decreases, that means the universe will disintigrate/dissapate, or begin to collapse at some point.

  So uniformity in the past does not depict future order? Is natural law, really natural law?
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  107

  Why God Cannot Have Used Evolution....

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is an article from the 'stand to reason' ministry.

  this is why i evolution and creation are incompatible.

  designed by chance .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ellderwho

  Evolution is just the result of the cream rising to the top

  I think you defined order with the above statement.

  For instance, water travels down hill. Is it being ordered? Or is it just following natural laws?

  In world of random-ness/evolution, could order and natural law be a bi-product of said enviroment?
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  107

  Why God Cannot Have Used Evolution....

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is an article from the 'stand to reason' ministry.

  this is why i evolution and creation are incompatible.

  designed by chance .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ellderwho

  AlmostA,

  Evolution is just the result of the cream rising to the top among animals. It rises because the "top" is defined as those that can survive long enough to reproduce. Evolution isn't "tending toward order", it's just the fastest runners winning the race.

  If evolution is not tending toward order then, IMO your arguement fails. The definition you gave denotes order.
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  107

  Why God Cannot Have Used Evolution....

  by Shining One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is an article from the 'stand to reason' ministry.

  this is why i evolution and creation are incompatible.

  designed by chance .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ellderwho

  Satanus,

  One could assume that. But, i wouldn't say that it is guaranteed to go on for infinity. Then again ... (i don't know)

  If nature has had order in the past why would that change? Further, doesnt science rely on natural order.