JW sites with Watchtower quotations?

by Fatfreek 8 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Fatfreek

    We all know that our friend Quotes is under attack from the WT -- for doing just that, quoting their literature.

    Are there any JW sites (JW members in good standing) that provide WT quotations of any kind? If so, why are these "copy write" infringers being ignored by WT?


  • blondie

    Actually, the WTS has been going after JW sites. I have seen them one by one take down even the scripture lists for the weekly WT study and book study. They no longer are allowed to put up the scripture quote, merely the citation.


    Using Scripture Lists shows respect for the copyrighted material from the Branch. Many sites that once hosted the formatted scriptures have now closed as a result of receiving letters from the Branch offices. http://spaces.msn.com/members/studyscriptures/

  • Leolaia

    Good point!


    This has....the FULL TEXT of 1942's The New World:


    You may recall that the WTS wanted Quotes to stop selling the WT Bookshelf CD which had books from the 1940s and 1950s. This has booklets from 1940 to 1968, the latter ones almost certainly still under copyright:


    This is not fair use, of quoting excerpts....this is giving the FULL TEXT of materials still likely under copyright.

  • Fatfreek

    Excellent site, Leolaia. Under its purpose explanation, "This site is maintained by one of Jehovah's Witnesses who fully supports the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society." And your point, full text copying would violate, I believe, copy write restrictions. I think most publications must be earlier than 1924 for entry into public domain.

    However, if Blondie is correct (and she usually is), this site may have fallen through the cracks as far as Society is concerned.


  • blondie

    I might add that all these books are very old on genteel's site and may not be covered by copyright any more. Also, this site is a UK one too and I'm not sure what the laws are there compared to Canada.

    Quotes does have citations from publications that are currently still under copyright. How much can be quoted and still stay under the law seems to be a nebulous quantity. I hope this site isn't attacked next. I find it a good site for those illusive and expensive old WT publications.


  • Kenneson
  • OldSoul

    Thanks for the link, Blondie. I just grabbed a copy of "Millions", a priceless resource. I have the bound book New World sitting right in front of me, I have been doing a grueling comparison of doctrinal points between pubs. There wasn't as much continuity between doctrine in the pubs as they portray. Maybe it depended on how sozzled the Judge was?

    In another five years they will have to admit that millions did not survive, indeed could not survive if every remaining one who was alive in 1920 did a mass conversion. Right now, the figure hovers just over 3,000,000 still alive that were born prior to 1920, barely making the margin with a mass conversion today. Let's face it, most people don't make it to 85.

    I found this hilarious quote:

    w97 1/1 p. 11 Let All Glorify Jehovah!
    In the early 1920’s, a featured public talk presented by Jehovah’s Witnesses was entitled "Millions Now Living Will Never Die." This may have reflected overoptimism at that time. But today that statement can be made with full confidence.

    [celebrated WT scholars] Because although the overoptimism wasn't warranted way back then, it is obviously warranted now! Why are you looking at us funny?

    [grumblings of the faithful]

    [celebrated WT scholars] What do you mean we weren't just overoptimistic? Obviously, there aren't millions of 85-year-olds among the 6,000,000 JWs, so it had to be overoptimism. I mean, the only other way to see it would be as a false prophecy and that would mean we were false prophets.

    [grumblings of the faithful]

    [celebrated WT scholars] What? Overoptimism doesn't change the fact that we spoke in God's name? But, Jonah proclaimed destruction on Ninevah and that was postponed! Well, no. None of the governments repented due to our message. But still it was postponed!

    [grumblings of the faithful]

    [celebrated WT scholars] Okay, that example doesn't fit. But we have authority to speak in God's name, granted by Holy Spirit. You are rebelling against Jehovah's Authority to reject our word, just like Korah, Dathan, and Abiram!

    [grumblings of the faithful]

    [celebrated WT scholars] Well, yes, Korah, Dathan, and Abiram are going to be resurrected after all. And, no, we don't have Scriptures to establish our authority. But look at our fruitage!

    [grumblings of the faithful]

    [celebrated WT scholars] Well, yes, there has been a lot of "overoptimism" in the past, but if you keep saying that overoptimism is false prophecy your going to get disfellowhipped! ("s" omitted intentionally)

    [grumblings of the faithful]

    [celebrated WT scholars] Yes, that is the same thing the Pharisees did to the one born blind that Jesus healed. But they weren't appointed by GOD, they "seated themselves in the seat of Moses." We've had enough, you're all disfellowhipped! We'll arrange the kangaroo cou...the er, um night court of the Sanhedrin...um, that is to say, Judicial Committees immediately. We'll tell the Holy Spirit what to decide. That active force always does what we tell it to.


  • VM44

    "Millions Now Living Will Never Die." This may have reflected overoptimism at that time. But today that statement can be made with full confidence.

    IDIOTS! That statement, "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" was meant literally, and said with FULL CONFIDENCE back then in the 1920s!

    The man responsible for the slogan, Rutherford, who spoke it confidently, has been dead for over 63 years!

    There is no one left to hold accountable for making that confident claim!

    Does the writer who wrote "But today that statement can be made with full confidence", have any worry that he will be held responsible for misleading people with his promises? The answer is NO! In 63 years that writer will not be responsible for anything at all, and some new Watchtower writer will say that the previous writer was "Overly optimistic", but in 2060, the statement can TRULY be made with even fuller confidence!

    And so on, and so on it will go! Each new generation being deceived afresh.


  • Wasanelder Once
    Wasanelder Once

    One old guy I spoke with in service said that back then they used to joke that "Millions would rather die than listen to Rutherford speak!"


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