Hamster: wants me monies backs!

by hamsterbait 8 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  hamsterbait

  
  I am interested to learn that under the law, minors cannot donate or gift, money, property or possessions.

  From the age of 9 - 16 I gave money and time to the WTS.

  Let's say I gave $1 a week.

  7 x 52 = $364.

  Not much but suppose everybody axed for their monies back that they gave as kids?

  Let's assume that maybe a quarter of the dubs were in from the same age as me, and gave the same contribution.

  .25 x 6 250 000 = 1 562 500 x $364 = $$$$$$$!

  That's a lot of sunflower seeds and brazil nuts....

  HB (of the "counting my nuts" class)
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  sf

  That raises a question in my mind:

  When donating to ANY case or charity, once done, can you basically renige on your contribution, asking for your donation returned to you?

  Same question, but specifically regarding the WTBTS only. Can you request your donations, FROM YOUR ENTIRE ASSOCIATION WITH THE ORG...BAPTIZED OR NOT., be reimbursed to you?

  If so, based on what sound reasons?

  sKally
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  kwintestal

  The question I would like answered is, when I leave a congregation, should I get my portion of the congregation's assets when I leave? After all, as a member of a congregation, I am part owner of it.

  Kwin
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  ballistic

  I personally know of people who in 1975 sold their homes and gave ALL to the organisation thinking it was the last year of this old world - AND THEY ARE OLD NOW AND LIVING IN POVERTY.
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  sf

  Some feedback and/ or answers to my questions would sure be appreciated.

  Thank you.

  sKally
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  Cygnus

  Eduardo would likely know something about this, but my guess is since the contributions were made voluntarily and you have nothing legally stating that just because you put money in the local KH donation box you become part-owners, you're entitled to zilch in retribution.
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  Scully

  If this is true, a lot of charitable organizations are going to be in a lot of trouble.

  • How many years have children gone trick-or-treating door-to-door with a little orange UNICEF box?
  • How many Boy Scouts have stood outside grocery stores selling apples?
  • How many Girl Scouts and Girl Guides have gone door-to-door selling cookies?
  • How many kids from every school in Canada (and maybe the US) do Jump Rope For Heart, or Toonies For Terry (Fox) to raise funds for heart disease research or cancer research?
  • How many kids' soccer teams and baseball teams and football teams have done car washes, garage sales, BBQs, etc to raise funds for their teams?

  It seems like every weekend I get kids at my door selling chocolate bars or cookies or knick-knacks or outright asking for donations for one charitable cause or another.

  The thing is, charitable organizations use/exploit children to raise funds for them because they know people in general have a soft spot for "innocent" and "idealistic" kids who want to help other people. And yes, the WTS does it too... we all remember being dragged door-to-door on Saturday mornings, we had to look like little ladies and gentlemen and be on our best behaviour, so as not to Bring Reproach on Jehovah™ (ie, do something obnoxious that would stop people from taking literature or donating).

  From a practical standpoint it seems pointless to try to regulate situations where you have people who voluntarily participate in these activities. As long as the child/youth has parental consent (ie, they have paid the necessary dues and signed the necessary consents to participate in these group activities) and the child actually wants to participate, then it's a moot issue.
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  IT Support

  I suppose you would be required to prove what contributions you had actually made...
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  Scully

  Can you request your donations, FROM YOUR ENTIRE ASSOCIATION WITH THE ORG...BAPTIZED OR NOT., be reimbursed to you?

  If so, based on what sound reasons?

  Well, I suppose you could ask, provided that you had receipts or cancelled cheques to prove that you made donations.

  Sound reasons? How about FRAUD? They lied about Armageddon™ coming according to a certain timetable. They lied about Paradise™ coming in a certain timetable. They made claims that money was going to help certain relief efforts, but there were no such relief efforts, or persons benefiting from so-called relief efforts received strong recommendations to make donations to the WTS to defray the expenses of the relief efforts that they received.

  They do have a conditional donation arrangement, whereby you basically give a certain amount of money for them to use for a specific period of time, and then when you want it back they are supposed to return it to you. Of course, this amounts to the same thing as an interest free loan to the WTS, so you could not claim the donation on your income tax return unless you relinquished your interest in the money, and changed the terms of the loan to an outright donation.