Society's Arrogant Claim - "Spirit Appoint...

by metatron 4 Replies latest jw friends

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  metatron

  Over the past couple decades, the quality of Watchtower writing
  and depth of scriptural reasoning has declined. Whatever illogic
  prevailed in establishing their speculative doctines, at least
  they made a zealous effort at defense. Now, it seems more common
  (and cult-like) to simply spout the same shop-worn phrases
  like "faithful slave" - and expect the rank and file to fall in
  line with whatever passing whim they care to project.

  Perhaps some of you heard their arrogant, self-glorifying
  District Convention talk about "Loyalty" - immediately
  following the drama on Moses.

  Well, how does the Watchtower's claim of spirit-direction compare
  to Moses? Look at Numbers 12:6 -- "Hear my words, please. If there
  came to be prophet of yours for Jehovah, it would be in a vision
  I would make myself known to him. In a dream I would speak to him.
  Not so my servant Moses! ... Mouth to mouth I speak to him, thus
  showing him, and not by riddles"

  In practical terms, they don't even meet the level of secondary
  prophets! They don't get any revelatory visions or dreams!
  They deal with 'riddles', shifting, uncertain interpretations
  of what God wants. Thus, the surety of their information - and
  their authority - is as shaky as the interpretations they invent!

  And how 'bout that claim that elders are spirit-appointed?

  Well, I can understand this opinion - considering the reduced,
  feeble, meagre view they take of holy spirit. A force that
  raised the dead and created the universe is now reduced to
  an enfeebled tendency to remind Good Witnesses of what's right.
  About the only thing even remotely miraculous holy spirit can
  do is direct Witnesses to your door - and if you happen to be
  praying at the time, you can jump to the conclusion that selling
  magazines is God's will for you personally.

  Anyway, consider 1 Tim. 5:22 "Never lay your hands hastily upon
  any man; neither be a sharer in the sins of others". Even in
  Bible times, appointments to be an elder in the congregation
  could BE A MISTAKE! The wrong men could get appointed and
  Timothy was warned this could make him responsible for the
  wrongful outcome. (Insight Bk pg. 1029).

  The Society sez 'they're imperfect men'.

  ---kind of like saying Hitler was unkind.

  metatron
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  patio34

  Hi Metatron!

  As always, insightful post. I especially liked the reference to Timothy, never laying hands hastily. They could have made a mistake.

  Keep up the good work!

  Pat
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  biblexaminer

  Good post.

  The FDS says they are THE "channel" to God. A channel is a go-between, a mediator, or in other words a "medium" (middle).

  The FDS then openly claims the rank of "spirit medium",... and even lousy "mediums" today refer to their craft as "channeling".

  The Word of God condemns such ones, and they are worthy of death!

  In Revelation, John writes that any who would add to the Word of God, writing other books and proclaiming them equal to His Word and given from HIM, these ones stand condemned to recieve the plagues.

  And there are plagues. Some have published the WTBTS's true message around my town, and the circuit overseer openly, in front of the entire circuit, called it a "plague".

  And so it shall be.
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  Patriot

  Hey Met,

  Good post. You know it's funny how they claim that the elders are appointed by the "spirit" as you point out, but when the going gets tough and an elder needs to be "removed" from his position, and someones asks :"how was he even appointed"? then the same excuse surfaces-" Oh, Jehovah permits these things to happen to be able to weed out the bad".

  How rediculous!! If it turns out to be a good guy whose responsible-then it was Jehovah's spirit that did it for the good of the congo. But if it turns out to be bad, then Jehovah's spirit ALLOWED it for the good of the congo.

  Something is really wrong there. I personaly know an elder whose is 30 and likes little 8 and 10 year old girls.
  He has had his attention called upon his behavior around little girls and has since "relaxed". But we all know what the deal with him really is.

  Now the question is: Did the Holy Spirit put this sick person there? JW's would have you believe that yes he was.

  Makes me sick.

  Maverick

  All men must die................but few ever really live
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  MacHislopp

  Hello Metatron,

  an excellent post!

  I do agree with you about:

  "Perhaps some of you heard their arrogant, self-glorifying
  District Convention talk about "Loyalty" - immediately
  following the drama on Moses.

  Well, how does the Watchtower's claim of spirit-direction compare
  to Moses? Look at Numbers 12:6 -- "Hear my words, please. If there
  came to be prophet of yours for Jehovah, it would be in a vision
  I would make myself known to him. In a dream I would speak to him.
  Not so my servant Moses! ... Mouth to mouth I speak to him, thus
  showing him, and not by riddles""

  The analogy was congregations' elder = Moses !!!
  To use the term presomptuos , it is not enough to give
  the exact feeling.

  To Patriot:

  "You know it's funny how they claim that the elders are appointed by the "spirit" as you point out, but when the going gets tough and an elder needs to be "removed" from his position, and someones asks :"how was he even appointed"? then the same excuse surfaces-" Oh, Jehovah permits these things to happen to be able to weed out the bad".

  That is exactly the same line they use all the time, to
  justify the actions, which sometimes have prolonged for
  many years "undetected "(???) from Es and Ms, even guilty
  of extremely serious sins.

  Then they would say" ...wait on Jehovah ..."!

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp