Amish in the City/The Village/JW's

by mamochan13 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • mamochan13
    mamochan13

    I watched Amish in the City tonight and saw The Village last night. Been thinking a lot about comparisons with JWs. I found the rumspringa thing quite interesting ever since I saw Devil's Playground (watch it if you have a chance, great documentary!). My daughters and I were talking about the comparisons with JW's tonight. Difference? According to my daughter, most JW young people do the rumspringa thing, but hide it. Some decide to leave the "truth", others go back. But I was struck by the similarity...if you choose "the world" and all its pleasures, you lose your family and everything you grew up with. Horrible psychological pressure for a young adult.

    I'm curious how others saw Amish in the city. I was disturbed by the scene where Mose almost drowned, then went back to the apartment and read the German bible and prayed, terrified because he had almost died and if he would have died while away from the Amish, he would have lost out on "eternal life" or whatever it was he was hoping for.

    Reminds me of when I was DF'd. My daughters were told that if I died during that time I would not be resurrected. I think that was one of the things that really screwed me up when I finally got back in - I could have died on Monday when DF'd and god would not have remembered me. On Tuesday when the elders decided I was finally good enough (after a year and a half of their torture), I was free to have a heart attack and god would remember me.

    geez....I'm depressing myself now!

  • Gordy
    Gordy

    "rumspringa thing" ??????????

    This is an Americanism I have not heard before. W hat does it mean?

  • Been there
    Been there

    Gordy,

    Rumspringa is when the Amish youth (teenagers) get to go wild and sample the world. Their parents & everyone look the other way in any wrong doing. Sowing their wild oats so to speak. When they are done, they make their final decision to either leave the religion they were raised in or dedicate themselves to it. I'm not sure if they get baptised but there is some sort of ceremony for dedication. They have to be good after that and go with the flow. If they chose to leave they are cut off by the family for leaving the religion. They were given the choice to make after sampling what they would be missing. Like Mamochan said...The witness youth do it, they just have to hide it.

  • boy@crossroads
    boy@crossroads

    I'm a little curious about the amish rumspringa!! I haven't seen the show but I would love to. First off it doesn't seem to me that the amish truely allow their children to "run around" as they claim to. IMO I can imagine that there is much internal pressure from amish families for their children to come back to the religion. Second, ill-equipping people to live in a foreign world then releasing them into that world to fend for themselves seems a perfect way of reinforcing that their way of seeing things is the right way. I'm sure after seeing a few episodes of "rumspringa" one will see why amish children run back to their religion (comfort zone).

  • boy@crossroads
    boy@crossroads

    and "running wild" is a relative term. Whats "running wild" to the amish certainly isn't "running wild" to most other people. I can just imagine a young amish on their rumspringa interacting with outside people. If wearing blue jeans and driving cars is "running wild" what will they think when they find out about pornography, drugs, immoral behaviour? The person would probably say to themselves "Man, everybody back home was right this world is evil".

  • Alana
    Alana

    We live just north of an Amish settlement here in Illinois, and believe me, these Amish kids are NOT angels like some people believe. My first husband's JW congregation was in that territory and they had some stories about those amish kids and their double-lives....and even the adults who lived double lives....which, I suppose, is not unlike some JWs when you think about it.

    I've been flipped off by cute little amish kids....no older than 7....that blew me away, as I thought that they should not even have known what that was, let alone do it to someone! My ex talked about how they would get drunk (hide booze out in the fields and drink as they worked or during drinking parties by the youth), changed into 'English clothes' at school (those who attended the 'english schools'), cursed like sailors, had radios in their buggys, had pornography, and had premarital sex just like other worldly kids.

    In fact, some amish have what is called, I think, "bed courting"....where young ones will sleep with their dates in the same bed with all their clothes on.....with no chaperones......now, tell me....how many do you think REALLY kept all of their clothes on? I read about this from some who used to be amish and from my ex's friends whose friends were amish.

    I just think that any group that portrays that they are so meek, mild, Christian, holier-than-thou.....JW's included.....are just setting themselves up for a fall, because they can't all live up to the ideals that are set for them.

    (oh yeah, I almost forgot about the amish drug ring...seems like some liked to earn extra money by getting into the meth business)

  • Special K
    Special K

    I watched Amish in the city too

    This was the first time I ever saw it. It was two episodes, I think. First the one where the city slickers in the house first meet the amish young people. The second one was the one where Moses was sure he would have dried that day at the beach if the one girl wouldn't have reached out to get him.

    Actually, I was quite moved by the whole 2 shows. I was amazed at how the city slickers felt the need to change the amish kids and dress them up to fit in etc.

    then the tables turn when the city kids have to wear the amish clothing and go out and about town being looked at. That was an eye opener for them.

    A real growing up experience for them.

    Yes, It was interesting to see how moses was moved with his brush with drowning. I don't think that is an uncommon reaction in most people. They turn to the God they know and the bible that they have been taught from. An experience that puts our mortality where it really is (fragile) can be a very moving experience. The horror of that experience that he had was how the other guys kidded and made such a laughing stock of moses and what happened to him. Their fun at his expense..I thought that was just awful. extremely immature and lacking any heart at all.

    If there is anyone in the group who will remain amish, I would have said it was Moses before the near drowning experience.. just by the way he talks.

    I really enjoyed kevan teaching the one amish girl how to swim. This was a very positive interaction.

    Didn't think much of the spat between the two guys..you know the one where the one guy took off his sock and slapped the other guy across the face with it. Most people would have instantly lunged at you for doing that...

    (interesting show)

    Special K

  • Stephanus
    Stephanus

    From: http://www.beliefnet.com/story/150/story_15004_1.html

    If you?re a good Amish girl, you?re courting, you have three or four different beaus and you go out and stay out all night. That?s just their tradition. They date under the covering of night. No one knows who they?re dating or seeing until two weeks before they?re going to be married. It?s how they?ve done it for 300 years.

    They?ll go out riding around, they?re talking, they go to hoedowns. Also, if the boy is really serious about you and you have a church district that approves of bundling he will shine his flashlight on your bedroom window after your parents are asleep. He will then come in the back door and come up and either be entertained in the kitchen where it?s warm, or in your bedroom with the door shut. You?d keep your clothes on and lie in bed on top of the covers and talk and date. You get acquainted with each other that way. This is pretty much banned in Pennsylvania, but it?s still going on in Ohio. There?s not supposed to be sex, but it happens. The tradition started back in the late 1600s when the houses weren?t heated and the girls would show off their beautiful quilts.

    That's it people, bed courting is all about showing off your domestic skills to a prospective husband!

  • Country Girl
    Country Girl

    Bundle Up Baby! (not just for the Amish!)

    By Claire Vail
    Say "bundle up," and you probably have memories of mom insisting you wear mittens and a hat before heading out into the cold. Or, maybe you think about how Microsoft killed Netscape. But the history of bundling is a far more romantic affair. In fact, bundling was colonial America's sexy little secret. This Valentine's Day, snuggle up with your sweetheart and learn how your ancestors got away with more than you ever imagined.

    Bundling was the colonial-era practice of two young lovers sharing the same bed without undressing.

    Baby, It's Cold Outside!

    Bundling was the colonial-era practice of two young lovers sharing the same bed without undressing. Though it allowed courting couples a rare and thrilling opportunity for pillow talk, the custom was mainly a practical one. Before planes, trains, and automobiles, a suitor might have to ride or walk some distance to see his sweetheart, and guests often spent the night. Economically minded parents could sleep tight knowing they'd saved money on costly candles, fires, and guest beds, since two teenagers wrapped in a quilt together could produce their own heat.

    But bundling was hardly an invitation to free love. Since a damaged reputation (or worse) had huge consequences, the rules had to be stringent. There were a variety of ways of ensuring a safe and successful bundling. The oldest method, dating back to the Middle Ages, was to use a bundling board--a nearly body-length piece of wood secured upright between the lovers. Parents who used this method relied on the modesty and decorum of the couple, as eager bedfellows could easily jump the board.

    Another, more popular technique was to sew the boy or girl into a "bundling bag," a linen sheet that would bind, confine, and conceal the legs, and consequently, the potentially offending parts of the body. In rare cases, above-the-waist nudity was permitted, since it could hardly result in pregnancy. For especially determined lovers, more extreme restraints might be employed. Boys with Houdini-like talents might be bound right up to the neck in a bundling bag, with their hands tied behind their backs. Judging from the large number of children born out of wedlock throughout the 1700s, nature escaped and took its course more than once.

    The Wayward Welsh

    Eighteenth- and nineteenth-century English historians routinely blamed other cultures for any suspect practice that washed up on native shores. Sodomy was known as "the Italian vice." (Ironically, the Italians called it "the English vice.") Revolution? The French disease. Drunkenness? The Irish curse. In this same vein, bundling was laid at the feet of the Welsh, thanks in part to the region's remoteness.

    By the late 1600s, Wales's supposedly relaxed sexual mores had become a running joke, with the scarcity of Welsh maidenheads the tired old punchline. But was it all xenophobic slander? In 1797, the English author of a travel diary observed that "the lower order of people do actually carry on their love affairs in bed," though he did point out that it was all done with perfect innocence.

    The author describes one young Welsh suitor who walked eleven miles every Sunday to see his chambermaid sweetheart. After attending morning prayers, her master permitted the girl and her boyfriend to spend an hour in bed together fully clothed, which they did every Sunday for two years until they finally married. Nearly a decade later, another visitor to Wales reported that female servants were so fond of bundling that they refused to work unless their lovers were permitted to share their beds.

    Travelers reported similar customs in Germany, Scandinavia, England, and other parts of the Old World. In the Netherlands, bundling was referred to as "queesting"--literally, "searching." One observer of local Dutch lovers described how after a girl went to bed, her lover was permitted to sit beside her on top of the bedsheets. Of course, Hans often roamed, searching for the girl.

    Bundling in the New World

    When the Dutch sailed across the pond to the Hudson's shores, they brought their bundling boards and bags with them. In New York, the term "queesting" quickly anglicized to "questing." From there, the custom spread throughout New England until it was recognized as a uniquely Yankee phenomenon. Over time, the Old World origins of bundling melted away. Foreign travelers to America who observed bundling in action generally identified it as a strange instance of colonial rusticity.

    New York's early court transcripts and local parish records provide a glimpse into how bundling was viewed by those who practiced it. In 1658, the principal witness in a case against a young Albany woman testified that "when we were visiting together, we slept together in the garret." He insisted the lady remained "perfectly virtuous."

    Yet not everyone agreed that the practice was an innocent one. In his History of New York, Washington Irving, under the assumed name of Diedrich Knickerbocker, gently mocked bundling as the reason for "the unparalleled increase of the Yanokie or Yankee tribe; for it is a certain fact, well authenticated by court records and parish registers, that wherever the practice of bundling prevailed, there was an amazing number of sturdy brats annually born unto the state, without the license of the law, or the benefit of clergy."

    Separate Beds, Please

    By the mid-1800s, bundling was on the wane in all but the most rural places. Cape Cod is often credited with being one of the last areas where bundling was practiced. A local Cape doctor writing in the late 1860s fondly reminisced to a writer friend about bundling with his paramour. She stayed wrapped the whole time, apparently, in her day dress and secure bloomer-style trousers, pulled tight with knots.

    By the twentieth century, modern freedoms and central heating put an end to the need for bundling. But the memory lingered on. In fact, on December 12, 1969, Time magazine featured an article on the Society to Bring Back Bundling, formed in Pottstown, Pennsylvania. Apparently sick of bad weather, drive-in theaters, and a lack of local necking spots, Pottstown teens banded together in an attempt to revive the ancient custom. While the editors of Christianity Today supported the idea as a call for "a new moral code," Pottstown parents nixed it. You have to hand it to the kids for trying.

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