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  • why144000

    I have read with great interest your posts on the history of the WT. Very informative.

    In a previous thread you mentioned that Beth Shan had been torn down. It is still standing. It is in a gated community in San Diego, I will see if I can remember the address. In addition to the house still being occupied there is another house built over the underground shelter. I have visited the underground shelter a couple of times and found it quite interesting.

  • Farkel


    : In a previous thread you mentioned that Beth Shan had been torn down. It is still standing. It is in a gated community in San Diego, I will see if I can remember the address.

    I went to that gated community and showed an old picture of the house. They said no such home existed there. I asked the late Jan Groenveld (who had visited the house in the early 1990's or late 1980's). She told me the place had been torn down. I believe that Professor Ed Gruss who has written many books about the WTS including one that dealt with only 3 subjects: Pyramids, Beth Sarim and Beth Shan also said the house was torn down to make room for a new mansion on the property.

    I would love to hear that Beth Shan still exists, though and I would love to actually see it.


  • Robdar


    Check with a JWD poster by the name of Athanasius. He is writing a book on Rutherford and I believe has been to visit Beth Sarim to do research.


  • Farkel


    : Check with a JWD poster by the name of Athanasius. He is writing a book on Rutherford and I believe has been to visit Beth Sarim to do research

    I've been to Beth Sarim dozens and dozens of times. The issue is Beth Shan, not Beth Sarim. Beth Sarim is to this very day as beautiful as it was when it was built in 1929.


  • Robdar


    Duh!!! I don't know why I saw Beth Sarim written instead of Beth Shan. Thanks for clearing that up.

    edited to add: I shouldn't have thought twice about what you posted even though I misread it. I know for a fact that you are on top of these matters. Your knowledge about WT issues is immense.


  • sf

    Aerial Photo Of Beth-Shan And Goat Barn Bomb Shelter

    Roof of the goat barn bomb shelter exposed (arrow). The small building next to the main "Beth-Shan" residedence is the caretakers cotage which was moved from its orginal spot near the goat barn.

    (photo provided courtesy of Edmond Gruss)

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  • sf


    (Investigator 61, 1998 July)

    Jehovah’s Witnesses prepared TWO mansions in California to house Bible heroes like Abraham and Moses in the resurrection.

    Beth-Sarim or “House of Princes”, which they owned from 1929-1947, is common knowledge. (Investigator 45)

    Recently the J W Research Journal carried information about another, secret, property—called Beth Shan meaning “House of Security”—which the Watchtower Society (WTS) owned from 1939 to 1945.

    Beth Shan was a 75 acre property — located next to Beth Sarim — with a bigger mansion than Beth Sarim. It had several out houses, a 4,000 gallon tank of diesel, 7 acres of cultivated land, a well plus a 10,000 gallon water-storage tank, and two secret underground bomb shelters with storage shelves and 3-foot thick concrete ceilings.

    Access to Beth Shan was by a ½ mile dirt track and a gate guarded by WTS personnel.

    The Beth Shan deed said in part:

    NOW THEREFORE this trust is created and said trustee shall hold the title to said property in trust for the use and benefit of the following named persons, whose names appear in the Bible at the book of Hebrews, chapter eleven, verses one to forty, to wit: Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Sara, Joseph, Moses, Rahab, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephtha, David, Samuel.

    Until such time as the aforementioned persons return and identify themselves to the legal representatives of the said WATCH TOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY and the consent of said Society take possession and control of said premises, the President of the WATCH TOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY shall have the right and be duty bounded to direct the management and use of said premises hereby conveyed and to determine who shall be in possession and have the active management thereof.
    (J W Research Journal Vol. 4, No. 3, Summer 1997 p. 4)

    Beth Shan was so secret it was mentioned in WTS literature only once—in the magazine Consolation 1942 May 27 p. 9. The context was a dispute about burying “Judge” Rutherford, the deceased WTS president. The authorities had turned down a WTS request for a one-grave cemetery at Beth Sarim. Therefore the WTS next tried for a grave site at Beth Shan—which was also turned down.

    Why did the WTS buy and develop Beth Shan? According to the deed Beth Shan was intended to accommodate the resurrected Bible heroes and meanwhile be a retreat for the WTS president.

    But there seems to be another reason.

    In 1926 the WTS magazine The Golden Age predicted:

    … the next war will be…an annihilation! There will be poison and explosion everywhere, beneath the whole canopy of the heavens... (June 2 p. 55)

    In 1935 the WTS booklet Universal War Near referred to:

    ...the few remaining months until the breaking of that universal cataclysm... (p. 27)

    By 1938 the WTS taught that the totalitarian governments would rule the world just prior to Armageddon. For example in the booklet Face The Facts (1938) it says:

    The totalitarian combine is going to get control of England and America. (pp. 20, 21, 27)

    Face The Facts also taught that Armageddon was too close for marriage and child rearing (pp. 46-50). This message was further drummed via the books Salvation (1939 pp. 318-331) and Children (1941). The latter is about two JW juveniles who discuss WTS doctrine and decide to forego marriage for “a few years” so as to preach full time until Armageddon comes. (pp. 328, 274-281)

    The storage shelves in the Beth Shan bomb shelters are explained by:

    In passing, the opinion is here expressed for the information of those who have hearing ears, that a great famine is certain to afflict the many nations of the earth in the very near future. The United States is also in line for much suffering... (The Watchtower 1941 November 15 p. 343)

    In 1941 The Watchtower again had the expression “the remaining months before Armageddon”. (September 15 p. 288)

    From all this it appears that the purpose for buying and developing Beth Shan was to protect the WTS leaders from war, famine and other trials during those “remaining months before Armageddon”!

    By 1945 events proved WTS leaders wrong regarding world rule by the Nazis/Fascists and Armageddon being only “months” away. Beth Shan was therefore no longer needed to protect them and was sold.

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  • why144000

    Farkel, If I do not have an address for you in the next seven days that can be be confirmed then I am a sad sorry sob who gets their jollys from BS'ing on the net (sounds like youknew or fredhall!). I have personally been to beth shan along with my wife and son (in late 1990's-2000). I can absolutely confirm it's existance. I will have to do a search for the address. The owner of Beth Shan is very old and will allow no-one to visit however I had better luck with the owners of the house with the underground shelter. I have Ed Gruss's book and by looking at the structure of the shelter it is not a bomb shelter rather a hiding place. I also have a video showing the concrete being laid on the top of the shelter. I will have a look and respond with the area soon.

  • Kenneson

    The best research I've seen on Beth Shan is by Gruss. See

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