Have they discovered a loophole for lying in the name of Jehovah and getting away with it?

by TerryWalstrom 7 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • TerryWalstrom

    Let's put First things First

    Ask the average Bible reader to name the prophets. Easy peasy!

    The major prophets of the Hebrew Bible were:

    Hosea or Hoshea
    Joel or Yo'el
    Obadiah or Ovadyah
    Jonah or Yonah
    Micah or Mikhah
    Nahum or Nachum
    Habakkuk or Habacuc
    Zephaniah or Tsefania
    Haggai or Haggai
    Zechariah Zekharia
    Malachi or Malakhi
    So far so good?

    The TALMUD says that there had been twice as many prophets as the number of people who left Egypt (2,600,000), but only those whose messages were for future generations were recorded. This count was 48 male and 7 female Prophets.

    What do you make of that fact?


    1. a person (of either sex) who claims contact with the supernatural/divine and who purports to SPEAK FOR THEM

    2. human serving as an intermediator between the divine and humanity

    3. human entrusted to bestow special knowledge from a divine source

    What makes a prophet a PROPHET?
    Is that clear enough? When such a person (list above) speaks or writes a message....it is called PROPHECY.

    Jews, Christians and Muslims have a matter-of-fact attitude about prophets and prophecy--BECAUSE they are monotheists.

    However, their view is historically VERY NARROW!

    In every civilization regardless of religion there are such prophets who have operated all through history!

    List of Facts about Prophets:

    1. Targets of persecution and opposition by authorities in power whom the prophets had criticized

    2. Gave specific warnings about corruption and malfeasance in order to correct wrongful practices

    3. Called "seers" because prophets could see what authority was doing wrong and reporting it publicly

    4. Tertullian and Eusebius report the activity of prophets operating long after the death of the twelve original Apostles
    Are you still with me?

    Can a religious body, group or organization do the work a prophet is said to do and correctly claim to NOT be a prophet?

    What if there was an organization that wanted all the respect, gravitas and authority possessed by a prophet of God while

    exempting itself from charges of FALSE PROPHET when its utterances failed? Would this group be guilty of trickery and blame-shifting?


    Deuteronomy 18:21-22

    King James Version (KJV)

    21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?

    22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follows not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

    The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses claims special privilege as:

    "The mouthpiece of God."

    This matches #1 on our list of definitions of PROPHET .....Check!

    The Watchtower magazine has repeatedly emphasized the status of its Governing Body as intermediary charged with the duty of

    providing all the True teachings of Jehovah while demanding loyalty from obedient Christians.

    This matches #2 on our list of definitions of PROPHET......check!

    Throughout its history, Jehovah's Witnesses have received New Light, it claims, as special discrete knowledge of dates for Armageddon.

    This matches #3 on our list of definitions of PROPHET.....check!

    Do Jehovah's leaders make the claim for themselves?
    Watchtower 1972 Apr 1 pp.197-199
    'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them'

    Watchtower described itself as "the modern-day "prophet"

    "So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?
    These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? ... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses. ... Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. Thus this group of anointed followers of Jesus Christ, doing work in Christendom paralleling Ezekiel's work among the Jews, were manifestly the modern-day Ezekiel, the "prophet" commissioned by Jehovah to declare the good news of God's Messianic kingdom and to give warning to Christendom."

    Have they discovered a loophole for lying in the name of Jehovah and getting away with it?

    Why YES! Through the cowardly trick of putting quotation marks "-----" around the word prophet! "Prophet".

    Quotation Marks Can Communicate Sarcasm and Irony
    One of the greatest virtues of quotation marks in our language is that they can become the body language and facial expressions of the written word. They can make any word sarcastic or ironic, like in this sentence:

    Your freshly made “bread” kept my bowels churning all night.

    "The quotation marks will suggest to some people that you are using that word in a special or peculiar way and that you really mean something else..."
    Claiming to be and denying all at the same time!

    "Ever since The Watchtower began to be published in July 1879 it has looked ahead into the future... No, The Watchtower is no inspired prophet, but it follows and explains a Book of prophecy the predictions in which have proved to be unerring and unfailing till now. The Watchtower is therefore under safe guidance. It may be read with confidence, for its statements may be checked against that prophetic Book."
    (The Watchtower 1 January 1969)

    Indeed, 7 million members of this religion ALLOW THEM to escape condemnation for false prophecy and give them unwavering personal loyalty.

    Is there no modern-day group of prophets who will STAND UP AND ACCUSE THIS RELIGION?

    The answer is: YES! There exists a modern day prophet to point an accusing finger at this Governing Body in protest!

    Who is this PROPHET? WE ARE!

    The community of ex-JW members who publicly voice their accusations of lying, false prophesying, lethal blood policies, and child molestation malfeasance!


    I remind you:

    List of Facts about Prophets

    1. Targets of persecution and opposition by authorities in power whom the prophets had criticized

    2. Gave specific warnings about corruption and malfeasance in order to correct wrongful practices

    We can laugh at this Twist Ending!
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  • waton

    Does not any mention of being a prophet also include the application that is synonymous with erratic insane behaviour? "acting like prophets"? Is not pleading insanity another loophole, in case you are accused of a serious crime?

  • myelaine

    Isaiah 8:20

    Revelation 14:12


    Was there ever a prophet who used theocratic warfare?

    Just asking

  • waton

    cant remember the numbers in Kings, King of Judah and Israel cooperating for once, there was a contest of prophets, and a conversations in heaven between "jehovah" and angels, and one spirit said " I will go and deceive him", so yeah, " it is impossible for god to lie", but that does not prevent his messengers to do so in his behalf.

    Of course deception is the victims fault. You, as a target are supposed to be vigilant, and if victimized, not complain. like Naboth and family, killed by Jezebel's doing. today's text ha ha.


    Waton, I agree that a fallen angel [dark spirit] can/will lie, but I do not think that a prophet of God or a mouthpiece of God has ever lied in the scriptures.

    of course, we know that this isn't true for the self proclaimed mouthpiece of God aka the Watchtower

  • waton
    a mouthpiece of God has ever lied in the scriptures. TTWSYT

    well, at reading 1 Kings 22, it appears that on "jehovah's" initiative falsehood to fool Ahab was proclaimed.

    Jonah too was fooled to proclaim a message that turned out to be a dud.

    "---Jehovah put a deceptive spirit into the mouth of all these prophets--" so, what a mixed up plot the bible is. starting from Gen 1:1.

  • TerryWalstrom

    A drug dealer shouldn't sample their own product.
    The GB members undergo some kind of mental apotheosis and it's the same thing.
    Total belief you are really channeling God--when really--all you're doing is making shit up
    and lacing it with laxative powder.

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