What a load of rubbish, Jesus did use the divine name man many times. for example he said it is Jehovah your God you must worship and him alone,
'Jehovah' is unpronouncable in Hebrew.
What is the alternative to JW?
by Formerbrother 475 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Heaven
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Formerbrother
Former brother "What is the JW alternative?"
Well, why not go to the source? The Catholic church gave the world the bible. The Catholic church gave the world the name Jehovah. The Catholic church gave the world schools, hospitals, orphanages, food banks, homeless shelters, old age homes and has shown all people how to love more than just love amongst themselves.
These are all real and true fruits. Name a JW fruit if there is such a thing please.
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Seriously, you are saying the Vatican and the Pope are nearer to the truth than Jw org?
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Formerbrother
punkofnice So about the true followers would have love among themselves, yes back in the 19th century and very early in the 20 century the JW org was not worldwide and they certainly needed some adjustments, these have been corrected.
The only modern source you quoted was that 1970's WT which I think gave very good advice .....
"Persons of different races may have very similar backgrounds, culturally, socially and as to education. Or their backgrounds may be very different. Sometimes the varied habits, attitudes and customs that go with different backgrounds seem to add interest to the marriage union. Yet widely differing backgrounds, even among marriage mates of the same race, can and sometimes do give rise to problems, making marital adjustment more difficult. In making his decision, the Christian should also rightly weigh these factors—for the other person’s happiness as well as his own. "
Basically race or skin colour does not come into it, its more about your compatibility. Two people could be different skin colour but very compatible, and some people of the exact same race are just not compatible.
The advice is " rightly weigh these factors" before considering marriage.
Im am still not convinced that JW org is NOT the only organisation who has love amungst themselves all around the world every tribe and nation.
Who else is united all around the world like JW's?
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sparky1
"Who else is united all around the world like JW'S?" - FormerbrotherMormons make the same claim...................
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Formerbrother
"Who else is united all around the world like JW'S?" - Formerbrother
Mormons make the same claim...................
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Yes I think Mormons come the closest. They are the only ones who are coming close to following Jesus command to preach to all the nations.
But despite those pictures you dont get many non white mormans, certainly not 7 million active publishers like JW, and they do two years 'pioneering' then once saved always saved no matter what you do. After two years of preaching you are just getting some experience and then you never do it again, you get some other youngster to start his two years.- The mormons dont come anywhere near to being in all the inhabited earth like the witnesses, even in North Korea the Witnesses send some over from China, all top secret of course. Even in the Middle east Jehovahs people are preaching knowingly they risk having their head chopped off, a muslim becoming a JW is worse than one of the other christian denominations in chritendom. So the JW org is the only one who has love in all the inhabited earth.
But yes the Mormans do come closer than any other org except they have their own book of morman instead of the Bible.
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punkofnice
yes back in the 19th century and very early in the 20 century the JW org was not worldwide and they certainly needed some adjustments, these have been corrected.
Would you afford this privilege of allowing 'adjustments' to other religions? EG, the catholic church and the comfy chair...er I mean the spanish inquisition..as an example? If not, why not?
The only modern source you quoted was that 1970's WT
But if the watchtower is gods mouthpiece as they claim, it doesn't matter what year quotes are from. The fact that adjustments are needed proves that god isn't in the mix. It would have been far easier for god to get it right first time.
Who else is united all around the world like JW's?
Uniformity isn't unity. There is a lot of pretense in the watchtower corporation that is face value only.
Who else is united? You really haven't looked, have you!
One question I'd ask is, Why does watchtower corporation hide paedophiles and not report tham to the proper authorities? Other religions do!
Have another go, mate. Dare to scratch below the surface. That's what I did as an elder and the results horrified me. I realised quickly that the watchtower corporation was just a big business using the cover of religion to scam money out of people.
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Formerbrother
punkofnice6 minutes ago
yes back in the 19th century and very early in the 20 century the JW org was not worldwide and they certainly needed some adjustments, these have been corrected.
Would you afford this privilege of allowing 'adjustments' to other religions? EG, the catholic church and the comfy chair...er I mean the spanish inquisition..as an example? If not, why not?
The only modern source you quoted was that 1970's WT
But if the watchtower is gods mouthpiece as they claim, it doesn't matter what year quotes are from. The fact that adjustments are needed proves that god isn't in the mix. It would have been far easier for god to get it right first time.
Who else is united all around the world like JW's?
Uniformity isn't unity. There is a lot of pretense in the watchtower corporation that is face value only.
Who else is united? You really haven't looked, have you!
One question I'd ask is, Why does watchtower corporation hide paedophiles and not report tham to the proper authorities?
Have another go, mate. Dare to scratch below the surface. That's what I did as an elder and the results horrified me. I realised quickly that the watchtower corporation was just a big business using the cover of religion to scam money out of people.
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So in the late 1800's Br Russell had to get everything spot on accurate and understand the entire bible straight away?
Yes ofcourse we should afford this privilege of allowing 'adjustments' to other religions. What if Muslims said they wouldnt actually get 70 virgins in paradise when they blew themselves up in a suicide attack ! Everybody should be pleased?
About the love among themselves, yes JWs do actually have love amung themselves all around the world in every tribe and nation. As we said before the Mormans are the only other org who come close but no where near as close.
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punkofnice
So in the late 1800's Br Russell had to get everything spot on accurate and understand the entire bible straight away?
Sure. why not? If god communicates, why is god so useless at communicating given that he's so magical? The watchtower has also claimed to be god's mouthpiece, a claim they should never make if they are just imperfect men.
Nothing is interpreted but the interpretation comes from God and is then published.
(WT 1943 July 1 pp. 202-203)
Angels deliver what is published.
(PREPARATION 1933 pp. 36-37, 64)
THE WATCHTOWER publishes "no man's opinion".
(WT 1931 November 1 p. 327; 1936 March 15 p. 85)
"To it (this organization) alone...the Bible is not a sealed book." The WTS is "the only organization on earth that understands the 'deep things of God.' "
(WT 1973 July 1 p. 402)
The leaders are "spirit directed" (WT 1988 March 1 p. 10)
and "God's channel."
(WT 1969 January 15 p. 51; 1960 July 15 pp. 439, 442)
"It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the 'slave' as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision."
(WT 1957 June 15 p. 370)
C. T. Russell founder of the WTS, called himself "God's mouthpiece" (WT 1906 July 15 p. 229); claimed that compared to reading his books Bible reading is "a waste of time" (WT 1910 September 15 p. 298)
, and that his books "harmonize...every statement in the Bible."
(DIVINE PLAN OF THE AGES 1886 p. 348)
God uses and directs the WTS.
(VINDICATION Book 1 1931 p. 77)
"The 'slave' class has served as God's sole collective channel for the flow of Biblical truth to men on earth. Just as the early Christian congregation collectively served as the channel of communication from heaven to earth, so in our time."
(WT 1960 July 15 p. 439)
"As Jehovah revealed his truths by means of the first-century Christian congregation so he does today by means of the present-day Christian congregation. Through this agency he is having carried out prophesying on an intensified and unparalleled scale. All of this activity is not an accident. Jehovah is the one behind all of it." (WT 1964 June 15 p. 365)
"Therefore, in submitting to Jehovah's theocratic organization, we must be in full and complete agreement with every feature of its apostolic procedure and requirements."
(WT 1967 October 1 p. 593)
"It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision." (Watchtower 1957 Jun 15 p.370)
Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book. Many persons of the world are very intelligent, capable of understanding complex matters. They can read the Holy Scriptures, but they cannot understand their deep meaning.""( Watchtower 1973 Jul 1 p.402)
The point is that Christians have implicit trust in their heavenly Father; they do not question what he tells them through his written Word and organization." (Watchtower 1974 Jul 15 p.441)
"We must serve Jehovah in truth, as revealed in his Word and made clear in the publications of "the faithful and discreet slave." Watchtower 1996 May 15 p.18
w10 7/15 p.23 par.10 “The Spirit Searches Into... the Deep Things of God”
When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of “the faithful and discreet slave” at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13)
p.17: "Listening to the slave class means giving our full cooperation to its Governing Body."
p.27: "Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?" "The slave thus deserves our complete trust"
p.28: "By all means, then, let us listen to the Christ and his trustworthy spirit-anointed brothers."
***w10 9/15 p.8 par.7 Earnestly Seek Jehovah’s Blessing ***
We cannot hope to acquire a good relationship with Jehovah if we ignore those whom Jesus has appointed to care for his belongings. Without the assistance of “the faithful and discreet slave,” we would neither understand the full import of what we read in God’s Word nor know how to apply it.
-- w10 9/15 p. 13 par. 8: "Similarly today, a Governing Body composed of spirit-anointed Christians contributes to the unity of the worldwide congregation. The Governing Body publishes spiritually encouraging literature in many languages. This spiritual food is based on God’s Word. Thus, what is taught is not from men but from Jehovah.—Isa. 54:13."
***w10 9/15 p.23 par.8 “Your Leader Is One, the Christ” ***
The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.
***si p.9 par.16 (2011) “All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial” ***
(1) Jehovah God originates his utterances; (2) then his official Word, or Spokesman—now known as Jesus Christ—often transmits the message; (3) God’s holy spirit, the active force that is used as the medium of communication, carries it earthward; (4) God’s prophet on earth receives the message; and (5) he then publishes it for the benefit of God’s people.
-- w12 9/15 p. 22 par. 16 Learn From the Patience of Jehovah and Jesus
Well, a person who lacks confidence that the end is near might start to make alternate arrangements, so to speak, in case things do not work out as Jehovah said they would.
-- w12 9/15 p. 24 par. 4 "You Know Neither the Day Nor the Hour"
As the end of this system draws ever closer, the work of pointing to Jehovah’s provisions for salvation has never been more important.
-- w12 11/15 p. 17 par. 9 Cultivate the Spirit of a Lesser One
A humble person has heartfelt gratitude for Jehovah’s provisions, including spiritual food. Hence, such an individual is a diligent student of the Bible and an avid reader of the Watchtower and Awake! magazines. Like many other faithful servants of Jehovah, he may make it a practice to read each new publication before putting it away on a bookshelf in his personal library. When we manifest humble appreciation by reading and studying our Bible-based publications, we make spiritual advancement, and Jehovah is able to use us more fully in his service.
-- w13 4/15 p12 par 11 Do not tire out
Jehovah has provided a bounteous supply of written spiritual food to give us strength. No doubt, you can think of a time when after reading a publication, you thought: ‘That is exactly what I needed! It is as if Jehovah had that written just for me!’ That is not a coincidence. Through these provisions, Jehovah does instruct and guide us.
WT 15 Nov 2013 - "At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. (4) Now is the time for any who may be putting their trust in secular education, material things, or human institutions to adjust their thinking. The elders must stand ready to help any who may now be wavering in their faith." -
Formerbrother
Sure. why not? If god communicates, why is god so useless at communicating given that he's so magical? The watchtower has also claimed to be god's mouthpiece, a claim they should never make if they are just imperfect men?
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Your being childish. Think about it, the light was prophesied to get brighter and brighter in the time of the end.
They only ever claim to be imperfect men, I only claim to be an imperfect man. Do you claim to be perfect?
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TTWSYF
Former Brother wrote "Seriously, you are saying the Vatican and the Pope are nearer to the truth than Jw org?"
Yes I am. How could I say such a thing? Look at the fruits. I gave you real examples of fruits that the Church that Jesus started has given the world. You on the other hand have not named 1 JW fruit. Everyone knows that the bible is a catholic book. How could the watchtower [or anyone else] be a better authority on it? Name a JW fruit or truth that would convince anyone?
just asking an apologist
"Who else is united all around the world like JW'S?" - Formerbrother