Conspiracy Theory

by iiz2cool 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • iiz2cool
    iiz2cool

    Ok, maybe I have too much time on my hands, and my imagination runs wild. Maybe I've read too many Robert Ludlum novels, and I can see a conspiracy in just about anything. But sometimes, I just have to wonder...

    In my congregation the elders were very rigid about the most stupid things. I was counseled for trivial things like biting my nails, having a moustache, or for many other foolish reasons. But when I went to work for a political party, the Service Overseer thought it was very cool, and seemed very intrigued by my job. I was never counseled for compromising my neutrality. But there was another brother, a Ministerial Servant, named Tom. He had an oily quality about him, kind of like the gunk you get in your comb. He could get away with anything. He cheated many brothers, including myself, out of thousands of dollars and never even got reproved. He was an alcoholic, went to strip bars, swore a lot, watched porn, and other things. He once shattered a man's femur in a barroom brawl, and the elders didn't even reprove him for that when they found out. People complained to the elders constantly about him for years, and to this day he remains a Ministerial Servant. Instead, some of the people who complained about him were warned that if they persisted they could be disfellowshipped.

    Tom was useful to the elders though. He was mobile. He could move in any circle, and was good at getting information out of people. If the elders wanted to know something about someone, Tom could find it out. No one that Tom focused on ever made "progress" in the congregation. Ever. I know he did it, and I made it a point to occasionally send them some disinformation through him when it suited me. I had more than a few laughs as a result.

    It was almost as if they deliberately sent him out to gather information about the members of the congregation.

    I wonder if this is practiced in most congregations, and if it is practiced by the Society on a larger scale. Suppose, for instance, that the Society became concerned about the number of people who leave the org. Since the internet has become so popular, greater numbers of people are finding out the truth about the cult. I'm sure we can safely assume that this site and others like it are carefully monitored by the Society in an effort to identify those who are on the edge and thinking of leaving the cult.

    What if they decided to take things a step further. What if they decided to send someone out among those who have left in an effort to get to know them, and gather information about those who are sitting on the fence? What if someone like that was gathering information about protests, or legal actions? If done correctly, someone could even unknowingly become a dupe of the Society. They could avoid disfellowshipping someone like that, but rather, just keep the person on a very long leash, only to be discarded later when no longer useful.

    Why would they do this? To get rid of those who are trying to fade. To get rid of those with doubts. To get information about upcoming lawsuits so they can have the upper hand in court.

    To maintain control.

    Like I said, I have too much time on my hands.

    Walter

    Ontario District Overbeer

  • joannadandy
    joannadandy

    Seems like an awful lot of work just to get a few who don't really want to be there, and who just want to be left alone.

  • myself
    myself

    No one that Tom focused on ever made "progress" in the congregation

    if Tom is still a ms, it sounds like he hasn't made progress in the congregation either. As to whether any needed to report my "apostate" status, they hold nothing over me. I don't know how they could sway any lawsuits, the law is the law.

    I did like the movie "Conspiracy Theory"

  • heathen
    heathen

    I think you left out the most obvious conclusion . If this guy was such a good con man and could get people to give him money that was never intended to be paid back I would say there is a good chance that others are in on the game with him and are afraid to say anything because he would probly squeal them out as well .

  • RAYZORBLADE
    RAYZORBLADE

    iiz2cool: interesting subject, and given the way you've presented the information, it's now got me going: hmm??

    One never knows the lengths the WTS could possibly use, if the right people were available at their disposal (for lack of a better term).

    You gotta wonder...oh well, maybe subject matter for Art Bell's cross North American overnight radio show.

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    What if they decided to take things a step further. What if they decided to send someone out among those who have left in an effort to get to know them, and gather information about those who are sitting on the fence?

    As it's been said time and time again, if you aren't in the position to be "outed", then don't reveal too much information about yourself. If you need/want to be careful about your identity, be careful what you reveal, how much you reveal and to whom. I tend to not reveal too much unless I really know someone in real life. And even then I'm careful what is revealed.

  • SadElder
    SadElder

    Drop a nice letter in the mail to the Bethel i your area. Use someone elses name, maybe one of thode elders in your cong who is really a jerk. Outline all the problems with this MS but don't reveal any info that would show them who you really are. Then stand back and watch the fur fly while all those elders figure how to write back to Bethel. Oh what fun!

  • Shutterbug
    Shutterbug
    Seems like an awful lot of work just to get a few who don't really want to be there, and who just want to be left alone.

    When several of us went to Greenbay this past summer, Thunder and I got to talking and even though we live 600 miles apart we did know one person who seemed to bounce around from congregation to congregation as an elder. When he got to the congregation Thunder and Sheila were in, three people were disfellowshipped almost immediately. They were calling him "boom, boom." This fellow doesn't fit the description of the fellow mentioned in the orginal post on this thread, but Thunder and I came to the conclusion that if he were in the corporate world he would be called a hatchet man. The quote from Joanna makes sense, except you are dealing with some power hungry despots here and they need this sort of thing to feed their egos. Just my two cents. Bug

  • berylblue
    berylblue

    I am,quite simply, too dumb to ever notice stuff like that.

  • jws
    jws
    Seems like an awful lot of work just to get a few who don't really want to be there, and who just want to be left alone.

    Not everyone just wants to leave quietly. This site consists of people who are questioning, people who are in the process of fading, and people who are definately opposed, but still playing double-agent as a JW.

    If these people are still walking among, talking to other JWs, they are a threat and should not be discounted. If I were still a JW, knowing what I do now, you'd bet I'd be slipping things in here and there to get people to doubt and question. There are people here that do that.

    If the WTBTS can find those people and disfellowship them, then it will keep most JWs from talking to them and hearing their subversive information.

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