God’teachings or men’s personal opinions and interpretations ?

by MacHislopp 5 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello everyone,

    before addressing the topic, I would like you to keep in mind the following statement coming from the Society’s Governing Body:

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    · 'The Golden Age' January 18th, 1933 page 252

    · "If the message the Jehovah's Witnesses are bringing to the people is true, then it is of greatest importance to mankind. If it is false, then it is the duty of the clergymen and others who support them to come boldly forward and plainly tell the people wherein the message is false

    Then pay attention to following 3 claims, also taught and published by the Society’s Governing Body:

    1st claim 1960 56 years ago!

    · *w60 7/15 442

    · Staying Awake with the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" ***

    KEEPING AWAKE

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    The members of this anointed group are years ahead in maturity, Biblical knowledge, theocratic experience and vision of Jehovah’s purpose and divine will.

    There are several things one can do to stay awake and abreast. First, one should keep up with the “food at the proper time” supplied through God’s proved channel and published by the Watch Tower Society.

    2nd claim :

    · w60 7/15 441

    · Staying Awake with the "Faithful and Discreet Slave"

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    Note the “river” here is described as going eastward, in the direction of greater light, apparently signifying that the Society’s publications of truth would be progressing in the light of truth as the years advanced after 1919.

    3rd claim :

    · *** w90 12/15 p. 26 ?Seeking Delightful Words, Correct Words? ***

    For over a century, delightful, correct words of truth covering every aspect of life have been presented in the Watch Tower Society’s publications and widely distributed in many languages.

    Now let us see some examples of the “printed” and “taught” facts from the Society’s Governing Body official teachings and our inquisitive minds should always be ready to ask a question.

    I*** 1952 64 years ago!

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    · ***w52 4/15 p. 253 Aids for Understanding Prophecy ***

    “ Jehovah’s witnesses themselves are not nor can they be interpreters of prophecies. But as fast as the “superior authorities” Jehovah and Christ Jesus reveal the interpretations through their provided channel that fast do God’s people publish them the world over to strengthen the faith of all lovers of righteousness.”

    II*** 2008 9 years ago:

    The Watchtower , May 15th 2008 Study edition , page 29 par. 9

    How the Governing Body Is Organized *)**)

    The Head, Jesus Christ, supplies the body members with what is needed for good cooperation, coordination, and spiritual nourishment. (Eph. 4:15, 16; Col. 2:19) In such respects, the Governing Body is organized to take the lead as Jehovah directs them by holy spirit.

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    III*** 2017 published October/November 2016

    THE WATCHTOWER, Study edition February 2017

    page 26 par. 12 ( Study article for Sunday April 30th 2017)

    Q. 2. Since the Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible, what questions arise?

    “WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?”

    12 The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, theWatch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870.

    Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. So how can we answer Jesus’ question: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” (Matt. 24:45)

    Q. Inquisitive minds would like to know :

    : How can anyone reconcile the above 3 teachings - published by the Society’s Governing Body - within a time period of 64 years? Is not too … strange/weird that suddenly Jehovah God and Jesus Christ disappear from the…picture ??

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    Let’s continue :

    IV*** 1971 45 years ago

    *** w71 12/15 p. 761 par. 2-3 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***

    This was evidently under the guidance of Jehovah’s invisible active force or holy spirit. Also, under the direction of the Head of the Christian congregation, Jesus Christ the Son of God.

    True, the members of that governing body were not directly appointed by the Lord Jesus Christ.

    IV*** 1983 33 years ago

    ***w83 9/15 pp. 19-20 "One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism" ***

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    Since the "master" found the remaining ones of this body faithfully and discreetly giving out "food supplies" when he arrived for inspection in 1919, he appointed them "over all his belongings." (Luke 12:42-44)

    VI*** 2013 3 years ago

    *** w13 7/15 p. 22 Study Edition “Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?” ***

    [Box on page 22]

    DID YOU GET THE POINT?

    “The faithful and discreet slave”: A small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence. Today, these anointed brothers make up the Governing Body

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    “Appointed over his domestics”:

    In 1919, Jesus selected capable anointed brothers to be his faithful and discreet slave

    Q. Inquisitive minds would like to know :

    How can anyone reconcile the above 3 teachings - published by the Society’s Governing Body - within a time period of 45 years?

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    Let’s try another time :

    VII*** 1960 56 years ago

    ***w60 7/15 p. 436 The Awake “Faithful and Discreet Slave” ***

    20 As we now know, this watchman class of the “faithful and discreet slave” was being cleansed for still greater watchman service in the turbulent years to follow their restoration in 1919. Previously , in the spring of 1918, Jehovah came to his temple of earthly Christian servants for inspection and cleansing. (Mal. 3:1-3)

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    VIII*** 1983 33 years ago

    ***w83 9/15 pp. 19-20 "One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism" ***

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    Since the "master" found the remaining ones of this body faithfully and discreetly giving out "food supplies" when he arrived for inspection in 1919, he appointed them "over all his belongings." (Luke 12:42-44)

    Q. Inquisitive minds would like to know :

    How can anyone reconcile the above 2 teachings - published by the Society’s Governing Body - within a time period of 23 years?

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    Still another example :

    IX*** 1972 44 years ago

    *** w72 2/1 79 Fully Accepting the Challenge of Jehovah's Service

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    JEHOVAH IS DISPLEASED WITH HIS WOMAN

    The Naomi remnant came into a condition like that, particularly in the year 1918, when they were, in a sense, exiled from Jehovah God's favor. In that year Jehovah God came to his temple suddenly, accompanied by the messenger of the covenant, the Lord Jesus Christ.

    He examined the remnant here upon earth; he was displeased with them. (Mal. 3:1, 2) For a time they were not fully accepting the challenge of Jehovah's Kingdom service that had opened up to them.

    X*** 1993 23 years ago

    *** w93 5/1 17 Expanded Activities During Christ's Presence

    6 From the time Christ's presence began and down to 1918, the slave class, despite unpopularity, persecution, and even some confusion, had been seeking to give timely food to the domestics. This is what the Master found when his inspection began. The Lord Jesus was pleased, and in 1919 he pronounced that faithful approved slave class happy.

    What was the slave's delightful reward for doing what his Master had appointed him to do? A promotion! "

    Q. Inquisitive minds would like to know :

    How can anyone reconcile the above 2 teachings - published by the Society’s Governing Body - within a time period of 21 years?

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    Last example …for the moment::

    XI*** 1995 21 years ago

    · *** w95 8/1 17 Taught by Jehovah Down Till This Day

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    13 Jehovah particularly teaches his people by means of a weekly study of the Bible, using The Watchtower as a teaching aid.

    XII*** 2001 15 years ago

    w01 8/1 p. 14 Make Your Advancement Manifest ***

    “Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ,and “the faithful and discreet slave.”

    XIII*** 23 years ago

    THE WATCHTOWER, Study edition February 2017

    page 26 par. 12 ( Study article for Sunday April 30th 2017)

    Q. 2. Since the Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible, what questions arise?

    “WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?”

    12 The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, theWatch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870.

    Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. So how can we answer Jesus’ question: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” (Matt. 24:45)

    Q. Inquisitive minds would like to know :

    How can anyone reconcile the above 3 teachings - published by the Society’s Governing Body - within a time period of 21 years?

    I do hope that I have not bored you…J

    Greetings to you all,

    JC MacHislopp JJJ

    · " Nescit vox missa reverti" ( Horatius, ars poetica, 390)

    (A word, once spoken, cannot be recalled back)

    or (Matthew 12:37) 37 for by your words you will be declared righteous,

    and by your words you will be condemned.”

    P.S. I’ve sent a copy to 6 elders (average experience 23 years)

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  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    1) DUDE, where have you been????

    2) members of this anointed group are years ahead in maturity, Biblical knowledge, theocratic experience and vision of Jehovah’s purpose and divine will.???????

    I believe there is a newer quote from the fabulous GB, stating that "anointed ones" don't necessarily have more "years" or "knowledge" than even non-anointed, local Elders who's "spirit direction" amounts to nothing more than following the WT Legal department, via the "Flock" book.

    DD

  • Heaven
    Heaven

    God's natural language is silence. All others are bad translations.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Hi Mac!

  • fastJehu
    fastJehu
    DATA-DOG
    I believe there is a newer quote from the fabulous GB, stating that "anointed ones" don't necessarily have more "years" or "knowledge" than even non-anointed...

    Here it is:

    *** w16 January pp. 23-24 par. 6 “We Want to Go With You” ***

    Modestly, anointed ones acknowledge that they do not necessarily have more holy spirit than those with an earthly hope. They do not claim to have special knowledge or revelations; neither do they try to prove that they are in some way superior. They would also never suggest to others that these too have been anointed and should start partaking; rather, they would humbly acknowledge that it is Jehovah who does the calling of anointed ones.


  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello again,

    Thanks to all of you for the comments.

    DATA-DOG I’ve been away and also not too well.

    Heaven: I do agree with you.

    FastJehu: Thanks for the quote. I had in my data but you posted faster.

    Blondie: A special greeting to you. A great gain to this board ..and others.

    I do hope that everything is fine with you.

    Back to the topic. I'm adding these few quotes to reinforce the point:***

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    The Society’s Governing Body divulgates just men’s ideas, teaching, doctrines and personal viewpoints.-

    A)

    *** w52 4/15 p. 253 Aids for Understanding Prophecy ***

    “ Jehovah’s witnesses themselves are not nor can they be interpreters of prophecies. But as fast as the “superior authorities” Jehovah and Christ Jesus reveal the interpretations through their provided channel that fast do God’s people publish them the world over to strengthen the faith of all lovers of righteousness.”

    B)

    w54 10/15 pp. 638-639 Questions from Readers

    .°It is this organization that is enjoying that fulfillment and it is through this organization that Jehovah sends further light and spiritual food that rectifies any erroneous conceptions previously entertained, as well as adding to the rich storehouse of spiritual food available for those devoted to him and willing to exert themselves in his service by telling it to others.”

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    *** w57 6/15 p. 370 Overseers of Jehovah’s People ***

    7 Let us now unmistakably identify Jehovah’s channel of communication for our day, that we may continue in his favor. Listen to the inspired answer to the situation, in Matthew 24:45-47 (NW): …..It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the “slave” as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision.”

    D)

    w64 5/1 p. 277 Building a Firm Foundation in Christ ***

    “ It is through the columns of The Watchtower that Jehovah provides direction and constant Scriptural counsel to his people, and it requires careful study and attention to details in order to apply this information, to get a full understanding of the principles involved, and to assure ourselves of right thinking on these matters.”

    E)

    *** w88 3/1 p. 17 My Life in Jehovah’s Spirit-Directed Organization ***

    Jehovah is simultaneously feeding all his people spiritually through The Watchtower and other Biblical publications.”

    F)

    *** w01 8/1 p. 14 Make Your Advancement Manifest ***

    “Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.”

    Then like a magician performance, the Society’s Governing Body takes out of his symbolic “spiritual” hat this claim/teaching (which looks more like a disclaimer) :

    THE WATCHTOWER, Study edition February 2017

    page 26 par. 12 ( Study article for Sunday April 30th 2017)

    Q. 2. Since the Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible, what questions arise?

    “WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?”

    12 The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, theWatch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870.

    Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. So how can we answer Jesus’ question: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” (Matt. 24:45)

    As a result again ” Jehovah and Christ Jesus disappear from the scene!!!

    Greetings to all of you,

    · JC MacHislopp

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    ·" Nescit vox missa reverti"( Horatius, ars poetica, 390)

    (A word, once spoken, cannot be recalled back )

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