Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, why do so many ex JW's deny this?

by nicolaou 112 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Vidiot

    I'm an XJW, and I consider JWs "Christians".

    All that's done, however, is kinda turn me off Christianity.

  • Wayward

    Just because you say "in Jesus' name amen" at the end of every prayer doesn't make you a Christian. Just because you throw a token mention of Jesus into a sermon or tract once in a while doesn't make you Christian. Especially when every other aspect of your religion is geared around venerating a group of seven men. At the summer conventions, were JWs told to show loyalty to Jesus? NO. They were told to show loyalty to the 'organization', another word for the Governing Body. That right there tells me what JWs really are: worshippers of the Governing Body.

  • nicolaou

    Seems to me that exJW's who reject the Christian label being attached to Jehovah’s Witnesses do so because they want their own move from one denomination of Christendom to another to seem more significant than it really is.

  • steve2

    Let's settle this question once and for all. We'll all now pray to Jesus Himself: Are JWs Christians? Close eyes now - no peeking. I said NO peeking - you ruin all chance of an answer. Let's proceed....

  • flipper

    If Jehovah's witnesses are " Christians " as they claim- then my left testicle is a Brazil nut.

    Peace out, MR. flipper

  • nicolaou

    Chocolate covered or plain?

    Of course they're Christian flipper, I haven't read a single post in this topic to convince me otherwise.

  • slimboyfat
    Seems to me that exJW's who reject the Christian label being attached to Jehovah’s Witnesses do so because they want their own move from one denomination of Christendom to another to seem more significant than it really is.

    Well yes, that's one way of putting it. Another way of putting it is that ex-JWs who still believe in the Bible take seriously the idea that JW doctrine may be defined as heretical.

    Just as atheist former JWs who want to include JWs as Christians are basically saying: Christianity isn't true, it's all varieties of non-sense anyway, so why not simply let them all be called Christian? What does it matter?

    If you take the Bible and belief in God seriously then obviously it's going to matter a lot whether groups like JWs teach false doctrine.

    If you don't take religion seriously then you may view it as mainly a matter of historical or cultural labelling, and correct doctrine is neither here nor there.

    I think it also depends on context and who is asking the question and why.

    For example if comparing JWs, Krishna Consciousness and Sufism, and someone asks what sort of religion JWs are, then "Christian" would be an accurate and enlightening answer in that context, because they are firmly within the Christian historical tradition, rather than Hindu, Islam or whatever.

    But if someone asks a Protestant minister whether JWs are Christian that's a completely different context and may result in a different answer, with reasons for the answer. That doesn't mean the minister would be lying if he said JWs are not Christian, but he is answering a different sort of question with a different purpose in mind.

    A different discussion again will result if the label "Christian" is being discussed in a moral sense, and whether JWs live up to the name Christian, if it is taken in the everyday sense to mean a standard of kindness and charity toward others. Some will say JWs meet that definition of Christian and others will say they don't.

    Atheists will strongly dispute this meaning of "Christian" as kind or good of course (although it's there in the dictionary, and everyone understands what it means) and they are not interested in correct doctrine or what God supposedly approves. So of course from that perspective it makes sense to say that historically JWs come from Christiantiy, they rely heavily on the tradition and they claim to be Christian, so why not call them Christian?

    It all depends on your perspective.

  • LoveUniHateExams

    We've come to a strange state of affairs where Caitlyn Jenner, despite possessing XY chromosomes and fathering children, is allowed to self-identify as a woman and is accepted as such but JWs aren't considered Christians.

    I understand ex-JWs who've joined other Christian denominations arguing against the OP but non-religious posters? Ridiculous.

    Jehovah's Witness (noun):
    a member of a Christian movement (the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society) founded in the US by Charles Taze Russell (1852–1916). Jehovah's Witnesses deny many traditional Christian doctrines and refuse military service and blood transfusion on religious grounds ('s_Witness).
  • flipper

    I'll give two reasons in a single post of why they aren't " Christians ".

    THEY don't allow life saving blood transfusions.

    They dont' protect children from child abuse.

    If you disagree- you are in denial. Peace out, MR.FLIPPER

  • LoveUniHateExams

    They dont' protect children from child abuse - this could be levelled at the Catholic Church.

    The Catholic Church isn't a Christian organisation, too?!

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