Terminal Lucidity & the Nature of Consciousness

by Sea Breeze 7 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    No, this isn't about suddenly becoming aware of how much you hate airports. It is about people with profound brain impairments like mental retardation, Alzheimer's, Stroke and Dementia (often in a coma) suddenly becoming normal and lucid shortly before passing away.

    This is important because the WT teaches that consciousness is a function of the physical brain. How can this be when the brain is so impaired as to make consciousness impossible? We should re-visit ALL of what the WT taught us now that we are more aware than ever of their total depravity.


    "Kathy was among the most profoundly disabled of the patients at the asylum. Happich (her physician) paints a vivid picture of her mental status. “From birth on,” he writes, “she was seriously retarded. She had never learned to speak a single word. She stared for hours on a particular spot, then fidgeted for hours without a break. She gorged her food, fouled herself day and night, uttered an animal-like sound, and slept … never [taking] notice of her environment even for a second.” ....As if that weren’t enough, Käthe suffered several severe meningitis infections over the years that had damaged her cortical brain tissue.

    Yet, despite all this, as the woman lay dying ...Wittneben, Happich, and other staff members at the facility gathered in astonishment at her bedside. “Käthe,” wrote Happich, “who had never spoken a single word, being entirely mentally disabled from birth on, sang dying songs to herself. Specifically, she sang over and over again, ‘Where does the soul find its home, its peace? Peace, peace, heavenly peace!’” For half an hour she sang. Her face, up to then so stultified, was transfigured and spiritualized. Then, she quietly passed away.”

    The WT seems somewhat unique among religious groups to insist that there is no consciousness after death.

    It's time to question yet another WT teaching. The nature of consciousness.

  • FFGhost

    Cool anecdote.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    There are a number of cases reported where patients who were dying of malignant tumours that destroyed almost the entirety of the brain, confirmed by radiological investigations like CT scans and MRI, waking up and discussing their lives and imminent death, lucidly.

  • BluesBrother
    The WT seems somewhat unique among religious groups to insist that there is no consciousness after death.

    Actually some other groups teach that the soul is unconscious awaiting a future call. The modern Seventh-day Adventists for one

  • carla

    BluesBrother, aren't the seventh day Adventist kissing cousins of the jw's? they both came out of the Millerite great disappointment?

  • carla

    As for consciousness the jw's are clueless and further more if you talk about such things with one they are highly suspicious and think anything they can't understand may be 'evil' somehow. Not only are they clueless but even researching it would be out of the question.

  • truth_b_known

    The First Law of Thermodynamics

    The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of any isolated system (for which energy and matter transfer through the system boundary are not possible) is constant; energy can be transformed from one form to another, but can be neither created nor destroyed.

    All matter is energy slowed down.


    Inside a closed system (e.g. the Universe) that which is must have always been. Something cannot come from nothing. Something cannot become nothing. All things are energy. That energy changes form as conditions change.

    From a psychological standpoint, there is no "I". The "I", or "Ego" in Latin, is a fictional construct created by the brain as a defense mechanism for the body. "I" really don't exist. Consciousness interprets the Universe through the illusion created by the brain in my body (5 senses).

    Therefor, in a sense, I have always been. Bodies come and go as all systems deteriorate in the cycle of life. I think of our brain as a radio that is tuned to pick up consciousness. If my radio breaks or the power goes out the radio signal is still there.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    JW's hang on to Ecclesiastes 9: 5 & 10 fanatically to support their materialistic view of consciousness..... even though Ecclesiastes is a philosophy book written from a specific perspective - the record of an intense search for meaning and satisfaction in life on the earth. The term “under the sun” is used 29 times just so no one would be dumb enough to misinterpret its point of view and make some sort of doctrine out of it. (OT or NT)

    The point of the book is that a life lived without regard for God, is life lived without value. When life is viewed “under the sun,” it is declared to be empty. 1:9.

    When life is viewed as a gift from God, (“Above the sun”), it takes on a new and special meaning. 2:24

    The WT likes to pick and choose which verses to make a doctrine out of and which ones not to. For instance:

    They don't adhere to 9: 4 where is says that "a living dog is better than a dead lion". They don't believe that literally. They openly teach the opposite, teaching that it is better to die faithful to the Watchtower policies than to die disobeying their dictates regarding the military or taking certain blood fractions.

    Why didn't they craft a major doctrine around 10: 19 where is says, "money is the answer for everything"?

    Noooooo, that might interfere with field circus. Can't have the brothers out trying to solve their problems with money, now can we? Nosiree, placing books and magazines for "free" is what is promoted.

    When Ecclesiastes 9: 5 & 10 is read from the point of view it was intended, "under the sun", it makes sense in the way it was intended.

    The WT selectively adopts a point of view that Solomon ultimately rejects!

    And the uneducated lap it up, to their own demise.

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