A nutty, hardcore evangelical type quoting Ayn Rand bolster their argument is amazing to watch.
Socialism
by Perry 76 Replies latest social current
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snugglebunny
Original UK socialism was to meant to guarantee a good education and adequate health care. After that, what you made of your life was up to you. -
Village Idiot
I myself am semi-Syndicalistic. I believe that workers should own and operate the business they work for. It is the worker who's the creator of wealth not their rulers in the hierarchy.
Syndicalism is usually considered to be a form of Socialism though I refer to it as worker's capitalism. Since the business is owned by the workers they have the vantage point of knowing what they need to do without any micro-managing from the state.
And since the workers are the company they do not have the perverse incentive of stripping down their pay in favor of elevating the pay of CEOs and the top echelons of the hierarchy.
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Island Man
I think you make a massive error by conflating Socialism with Autocracy. They are not the same. Look people: A christian railing against socialism. I guess Perry never read Acts 2:44,45 and Acts 4:32,34. Perry, you're railing against your own religion without even knowing it. LOL. -
coalize
VI : I consider myself like an anarchist, then I totally agree with what you say.
It's not really the capitalism system the problem, but the fact the capital is more important than the work itself and the fact the capital is decorrelated from the work.
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coalize
To say it quick :
Capitalism : 2 people are wealthy by stealing 98 poor people
Socialism : 100 people have enough money by stealing 2 rich people.
That's why I will always prefer socialism against capitalism even if socialism is far to be a perfect system
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Village Idiot
coalize:
Socialism : 100 people have enough money by stealing 2 rich people.
It's not stealing but taking back what they took from you in the first place. They became rich off the labor of the poor without any just compensation.
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coalize
VI : of course! But because the OP is clearly an oriented, dishonest and fallacious caricatur of socialism, I played his game too ;)
And even a dishonest, fallacious caricatur of socialism is still better than capitalism :) -
Jehalapeno
God calls this greed and envy. They are sins.
God can suck on my junk.
Greed and Envy == capitalism.
I say that as a staunch free market capitalist. Try reading The Virtue of Selfishness sometime.
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Village Idiot
Publix, a highly successful supermarket chain in the south eastern United States, is owned by its employees. From their website:
"Being devoted to our company is our job. Company ownership makes Publix unique. As company owners, our associates hold themselves accountable for Publix’s success by identifying opportunities to reduce waste and looking for new products to offer. Our associates are invested in improving our company because we own it — it’s our reputation on the line! And that’s why this point on the mission statement is so important to us"
Compare that with the OP's statement:
"Coming up with new products is often time consuming, expensive and hit or miss. Nine ideas may fail before that tenth one takes off. The less the creative people behind these ideas are allowed to benefit, the less time, money and effort they'll put into developing new concepts and inventions."
It is under such a structure that the employees benefit the good of the company without the avarice of Darwinian competition. Perry, learn the meaning of the word altruism. And no, I'm not referring to simple pure sacrifice as you imply but to worker/owners benefitting directly from their own innovations.
That is how Publix grew to have 1,077 supermarkets bringing in $28.9 billion in sales last year.
Workers social/capitalism at its finest
