Writing Department stumbled over Lord’s prayer!?

by elbib 4 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • elbib
    elbib

    Thoughtlessness of JW Writing Committee can be seen in building their “great” teaching of Universal Issue. They took Lord’s prayer as the basis for this teaching. They thought God’s sovereignty was challenged by Satan, thus His name was tarnished, hence Jesus taught His name to be to “be sanctified.”—Mathew 6:9.

    Did Jesus really teach this prayer? If he did, why do contents lack logic? It is unlikely that Jesus taught this prayer immediately after saying there is no need of praying to our Father as he knows our need even before we ask. (Mathew 6:8). Interestingly, in Luke’s account Lord’s prayer is not the part of Sermon on the Mount, but was given in response to the request of his disciple: “Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples. “ (Luke 11:1) Did Jesus feel the need to teach how to pray because John the Baptist was doing the same?

    It is unlikely that Jesus would teach that we pray for God’s name to be sanctified because God’s name is always holy, and cannot be made unholy by creatures. Also, God is agape, unconditional love—He does good for its own sake; hence does not feel honored nor reproached because of others’ response.

    Jesus also knew that things would have its natural course, and God plays no part in it. For example industrial and vehicular emission made our climate chaotic; and it is obvious that this cannot be God’s will, yet it is happening endangering the very survival of all humanity. That means Jesus would not teach us to pray “let your will take place” because fact is that God lets will of humans take place on earth. Again, Jesus knew that God has a fixed time to bring His kingdom, hence will not teach us to pray for the kingdom to come. (Acts 1:7) “Give us our daily bread” also makes no sense as arrangement for food is already in place though plants and trees. ….Thus Lord’s prayer is filled with illogical things, hence it is unlikely that it originated with Jesus.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    Don't you find it amazing that the Almighty God of the Universe, all-powerful and all-knowing, can't get his message concerning their eternal salvation to mankind in a clear and concise manner so that there is no confusion (not to mention chaos)?

    Poor communication skills.

    Doc

  • elbib
    elbib

    Desirousofchange,

    Nice thought.

    This is what has been intriguing to me fo some time. If it is God who is behind scriptures, why can't he communicate things in a simple way--without any possibility for the need of another person interpreting as he feels like, thus adding to the confusion.

  • prologos
    prologos
    elbib, very interesting thoughts, but you still instill in "Jesus" saviour-like qualities. Have you thought about the possibility, that we are perfectly normal creatures, needing no ransomer? that the talking snake story is a myth,? If you were ever hungry for a long time, you would pray for bread, rice or potatoes too. rather than giving thanks as we do now.
  • elbib
    elbib

    prologos,

    I have great regard for Jesus, and I try to apply many things he said. However, regarding ransom teaching I go with Gospel writer Luke who thoroughly examined all the scriptures available at that time and did some important editing.

    If Jesus really came to give ransom, naturally all his talks would have been centered over this FUNDAMENTAL concept using all his skills and reasoning powers, explaining why and how of such an arrangement. On the contrary, the only passing, feeble comment he supposedly made in the context of contrasting the rulers of Gentile as found in Mathew 20:28. Luke himself, on close examination, found as interpolation, hence removed from his Gospel.—Luke 22:25-27

    Jesus PUBLICLY denounced the killing of the innocent when he called Jerusalem “the killer of prophets” and said “your house is abandoned” on account of killing those innocent ones!—Mathew 23:37, 38. If God had already planned shedding of blood of innocent Jesus as the ransom, Jesus would not have made such public denouncing.

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