Strange Week for The Left

by freemindfade 8 Replies latest social current

  • freemindfade

    It's been a strange week, maybe the left sent out a memo this week that there losing their minds... three things I've noticed...

    1. Mainstream media and politicians start bashing ANTIFA a year into their BS, kind of odd, better late than never

    2. Diane Feinstein melts the brains of libs at a thing in SF when she expresses hope in Trump, very odd, they probably ran her out of town with pitch forks and torches.

    3. Trevor Noah tells everyone to chill on ridiculing Melania on what she wore to Houston, beyond strange! and also hypocritical, it's like telling everyone to think a certain way, to overreact to every little thing, then saying how dare you over react to something so insignificant


  • Sugar Shane
    Sugar Shane

    Yeah well, all true. But, we've seen this play out before, in some form or another: anti-fascists vs fascists. We know full well what a fascist regime is capable of, and should be thankful that anti-fascists took to violence to wipe them off the face of Europe...unless of course, you support fascists. Yes, Sean Hannity is really getting his viewers worked up over ANTIFA. And I agree, they do resort to some childish tantrum-like behavior. if you wanna bash them for that, fine...but you ought to reflect on history, and consider their overall goal: to wipe out fascism. And think about what's setting them off in the first place. Do they march into towns carrying assualt rifles, and chanting Nazi slogans, such as "Jews will not replace us?" No. Did they drive a car into a crowd in Charlottesville, VA? Nope...that was a young man obsessed by Nazism.

    Oh, and here's a famous pic you might like. They didn't start the fight, but they sure as hell finished it. My money is on the anti-fascists:

  • OneEyedJoe
    in some form or another: anti-fascists vs fascists.

    The problem is that this is not anti-fascists vs fascists in any way other than name. In what world can you be suppressing free speech with violence and be called an anti-fascist? The lines aren't so easily drawn between good and evil and the sides aren't so black and white.

    For reference:

    Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce, that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

    One side has the nationalism, the other the forcible suppression of opposition. Which one is fascist? Both sides can't be right, but they can both be wrong. All ANTIFA is doing is helping white nationalists, neo-nazis, and the KKK recruit new members..

  • Sugar Shane
    Sugar Shane

    I agree with everything you just said, for the most part. Free speech is so important...and the Nazis & "Commies" and anyone else have a right to state their positions. It bothers me to see the loose knit groups, such as anarchists, earth-firsters, and ANTIFA causing mayhem during events such as the G8 summit. It also bothers me to see groups of armed men march into town, out-gun the police, and chant NAZI slogans. Both sides ended up brawling with one another. One woman killed, and two police officers as well. It shouldn't have happened. And probably WOULDN'T have happened if the Gestapo wannabees hadn't marched into town with their silly tiki torches in the first place.

    But yes....violence and the trampling of free speech is bad, no matter the group involved .You can compartmentalize that thought and stick it in a box.

    But to equate the fascist protestors with anti-fascists, is not so simple. I agree with you that the lines can seem blurred, but their long term goals, and the overall end-game is entirely different. And that's what certain right-wing media pundits are attrmpting to do. Equate them, or make anti-fascists seem more of a threat than they really are. That's exactly what Hitler did through his propaganda arm in the mid to late 30s. Then, he had the Gestapo and Orpo police stamp out any remaining opposition from rogue anti-fascist citizens. Then came the Rohm purges where Hitler killed off his political opponents as he sought out absolute loyalty from his intel chiefs, generals, federal police, and other staff. Nasty time in history.

    Speaking of fascists.

  • OneEyedJoe
    But to equate the fascist protestors with anti-fascists, is not so simple

    I'm not equating them at all. I'm simply pointing out that ANTIFA has been allowed to name itself, and the name chosen is not particularly descriptive. Casting this rift as fascists vs anti-fascists is disingenuous at best.

  • Sugar Shane
    Sugar Shane are some "rowdy" anti-fascists back in the 1930s, which I mentioned above. My, what a bunch of crazy left-wingers 😏:

  • Sugar Shane
    Sugar Shane

    Yes, correct...ANTIFA did choose to name themselves, in 1932. It originated with "Antifaschistische Aktion," in 1930s Germany. It again gained a foothold during the Cold War years. They've been around for awhile, and the "rift" between them, and fascist ideals has always been pretty stark, according to historians and scholars. I don't see what's "disingenuous" about it. Unless you're referring to individuals who jump on the ANTIFA bandwagon to further some ulterior motives. Yes, I could see that. It's certainly happenibg in the "alt-right" movement as well.

  • OneEyedJoe

    The idea that ANTIFA is the same as groups in 1930's germany is approximately equivalent to someone pointing out that Lincoln was a republican and basing upon this the claim that republicans have black people's best interests at heart.

    I'm not trying to get political, I'm just saying that the arguments being made are disingenuous. I hate to overuse the word, but it's really the best match for the situation. Casting the current climate as some battle between good and evil is a gross oversimplification and risks completely missing the point. Groups evolve and simply maintaining a similar name doesn't imply similar motives, structure, or merit.

    In any event, if your argument is that ANTIFA is somehow helping us and you intend to make this case by connecting them to the anti-fascists in 1930's germany, I'd feel the need to point out that they didn't particularly help 1930's germany avoid fascism.

  • David_Jay

    As a Jew, all I can say is that shouting and protesting often does little but induce fighting, and yet our calls for peace are being unheeded by people who seem to want to kick up dirt and cause trouble and push agendas.

    Even many Jews are questioning the actions of the ADL which is supposed to be DEFENDING the Jews against anti-Semitism but lately has been INCITING people, especially the non-Jewish to rally in opposition to counter or attempt to prevent what may be gatherings that fall under the protection of American free speech and assembly laws. I myself had to distance myself from the ADL because it has become too radical over the past year. I am not the only Jew who has done this recently.

    While I totally disagree wholeheartedly with the Neo-Nazi message and worldview, and as a Jew I have sadly had to endure (especially this year in Florida) several incidents of anti-Semitism targeted either at my local Jewish community or myself personally, I don't encourage taking the rights of American citizens away, no matter how distasteful their message or beliefs may be.

    I was taught to let hate assemble and peacefully walk past it, to even look for opportunities to treat it kindly and prove it wrong by your kindness, to perhaps demonstrate that you are not violent or the animal or beast that it claimed you were, if possible.

    Now if a law was being broken, yes, then action had to be taken, but not until then. Until then if I wanted my neighbor to let me live in peace and treat me with respect, I will do the same, especially when I do not subscribe to their tenets. Mutual respect fosters mutual respect. You earn it. It is not a right.

    Call me old-fashioned, but why so many "talking heads" on television telling me what to think about today's news? I don't need to be told what to think about it. I don't necessarily care for Trump, but you don't have to bring a panel of "experts" in to tell me what I should be thinking about what he says or does. (Last I saw on my MRI, I have brain. My neurologist assured me it can do thinking good.)

    Now, at one time I was what they called "progressive," yes, even a "liberal." But you wouldn't catch me with a stick in my hand at a rally. We did things by ad hoc committee and grass movements (sometimes the emphasis was a little too much on the "grass" perhaps and I'm not sure we got much done if anything...but it was always peaceful, always), and we didn't get our agenda on TV either (well, people have always said we Jews got our agenda in entertainment since the beginning, and in a way that's true since we Jews invented both the major film studios and, yep, the U.S. porn industry--Uh-huh, Jews invented lust...that's what you get for blaming us for killing Jesus, naked pictures to fuel your masturbation the rest of you who aren't suffering from Christian guilt, yeah, you're welcome). The agenda on TV back then was still a Norman Rockwell painting designed mostly by Republicans well into the 1980s and a bit into the early '90s.

    I'm not a conservative, no sir, but I think I just got knocked over into the "moderate" lane. "Uh, wait a minute here," I told somebody about this recently, "I'm a Jew. Shouldn't I have a say in this?"

    Rudely the hand of a millennial who was waving his other as a fist at a Neo-Nazi, pushed me away at my face and said to me: "Beat it, old man, this is not your fight!"

    What just happened? Do you know who I am? My people invented porn!

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