In That Hour

by berrygerry 8 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • berrygerry

    Looks like WT didn't like getting schooled by Angus on the no-witness rape in Deut.

    Geoff later sent in a written statement:

    329 It was suggested to Mr Jackson that this Scripture provided the basis for the Governing
    Body not to apply the two‐witness rule in the case of sexual abuse, or that it called into question the proper foundation to the two‐witness rule in the case of sexual abuse. Mr
    Jackson’s answer was to say that the Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that there is a proper
    foundation to the rule because of the number of times that it is emphasised in the
    Scriptures.607 Mr Jackson did not say that there is no prospect of modifying the
    application of the two‐witness rule within Scriptural requirements so as to make it
    inapplicable to cases of sexual abuse.
    330 In a statement provided to the Royal Commission after the close of the public hearing,
    Mr Jackson offered an alternative explanation of Deuteronomy 22:23‐27 to that which
    he had accepted in oral evidence.608 In his statement Mr Jackson explained that the
    man’s guilt had been judged at an earlier stage in Deuteronomy, and that the referenced
    verses dealt only with establishing guilt (or absence thereof) on the part of the
    woman.609 In his statement, Mr Jackson did not seek to explain the reason for the
    difference between his oral and written evidence as to context of Deuteronomy 22:23‐
    331 It is submitted that there is little utility in attempting to resolve the conflict between Mr
    Jackson’s oral and his subsequent written evidence on the subject of the relevance of
    Deuteronomy 22:23‐27 to the flexibility of the two‐witness rule.However, it is open to
    the Royal Commission to note the difficulty experienced by even a member of the Governing Body
    in arriving at an interpretation of Deuteronomy 22:23‐27 which renders it irrelevant to the application of the two‐witness rule.

    Hey, what happened to:

    11 "When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say; 12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."


  • DesirousOfChange

    the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.

    With many JWs with whom I can speak "openly" I have asked them if they think the GB has lost Jah's Blessing and His Holy Spirit? Soooo many problems....... So much begging for money.......

    Inquiring minds want to know. Or at least maybe it will get them thinking about it


  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot

    Unfortunately they can refer to 1 Timothy 5:19 which says:

    "Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses."

    The flaw is in the Bible itself which doesn't take into account all of the different types of wrongdoing.

  • Tenacious
  • Vidiot

    Village Idiot - "The flaw is in the Bible itself which doesn't take into account all of the different types of wrongdoing."

    Not overly inclined to disagree with you, there, I'm afraid.

  • prologos
    tenacious: was he put in front of a door, not a throne, so could he quickly exit if the seating got too hot?
  • Tenacious
    @ prologos - Hahaha. I never took notice of the door. That's hilarious!! LOL
  • prologos

    @ prologos - Hahaha. I never took notice of the door. That's hilarious!! LOL

    I think it was a tactic to thumb the nose at the commission, to show that they did not merit a dignified setting for the witness. this was an off -site event. wt managed.

  • jhine

    VI and Vid , I think that it is made clear what this refers to . It has to be read in context and the whole of 1 Timothy is talking about right conduct within the church . How widows and orphans should be treated , how communal funds should be used , and " the elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honours , especially those who's work is preaching and teaching "

    Then Timothy says " do not entertain an accusation ........"

    So surely this refers to accusations of misconduct within the framework just set out . So an accusation of being biased in the handing out of funds , something like that .

    It is made clear that Christians should submit to secular law and child abuse is a crime in law . Not just church misconduct , which is what is referred to in 1Timothy .

    An application of the whole of Scripture shows that their interpretation is wrong and the ARC clearly have realised this .

    Anyway whatever it's meaning that verse refers to elders only . So why do they apply it to non elders ? How many reportings of child abuse by non elders have been ignored ?

    The ARC must have clocked that as well !


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