Senator Tuberville: 'Ukraine-Russia War Unwinnable' & Demands Peace; Says US Spent $171B In Conflict Already!

by 1975JWExpert 39 Replies latest social current

  • liam
    liam
    liam, Trump is great on Ukraine. Gaza not so much.

    That's true. And I am not saying Trump is the answer to stop the war. Or that Trump is going to make the USA a Paradise. But he is the only Presidential candidate that wants to stop the war. He is the only one who recognizes that this war can lead to a nuclear war and he is scared of that. He doesn't downplay it.

    Harris on the other hand, has already said she will increase the help for Ukraine to win the war and do whatever it takes to destroy Putin. WHATEVER IT TAKES! The Harris administration has already said they want to send another 70 billion of taxpayer money to Ukraine to keep it going.

    So the difference is that the Ukraine and Russia war is a conflict between Nuclear powers, Gaza was not. One US Senator was trying to convince the American People that we don't have to worry about Russia's nuclear missiles hitting the USA because GOD IS WITH US!

    He was referring to the God of the Bible, Jehovah.

    We know know better, no Jehovah is coming to help us. It's up to us.

    In fact every day it gets worse and closer to a nuclear threat. In fact, I'm not even sure anymore that Trump can stop the direction we are headed. It may already be too late.

  • liam
    liam
    When Hitler invaded the Soviet Union he was shocked at the tenacity of the Soviets. Why would they fight so hard Stalin. The Soviets were put on " Deaths Ground ". No matter how awful Stalin was, they weren't going to be Germans.

    And you're such an idiot that you can't even perceive what you just said.

    The Russians will not surrender, they will die, but they will take idiots like you with them.

  • Rivergang
    Rivergang
    The Soviet Union experienced a Vietnam-like situation in Afghanistan, and they left that with their tails well and truly between their legs!
    Ditto, the US, in Afghanistan

    To the best of my knowledge, nobody claimed that they didn't!

  • pepperheart2
    pepperheart2

    i hear cuba is wanting a bit more space i am sure america will not mind giving a bit a land up to them

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Ironic you should mention Cuba. The US would not tolerate Russian missiles in Cuba, but somehow think Russia should tolerate NATO in Ukraine, a country that is even closer to Russia than Cuba is to the US.

    liam, the war in the Middle East could become a nuclear conflict because Israel has nuclear weapons and Iran could assemble them if it wished. Given that Israel is tiny and could be destroyed with such weapons you’d think they would tread more carefully. Instead they seem hellbent on provoking all out war. Iran is a huge country and it would take a lot more to destroy it. Israel seems to be betting that Iran can’t or won’t use nuclear weapons. The whole situation is madness. The current trajectory we are on is concerning if we don’t change course soon.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

  • Rivergang
    Rivergang

    The Cuban Missile Crisis cannot be compared to the present situation in the Ukraine, no matter what the Russian propaganda machine may claim.

    Russia continued to remain “in” Cuba, and to this day both countries are still allies. What prompted the 1962 crisis was the locating of intermediate range nuclear missiles on Cuban soil. However, there have been no such missiles anywhere in Europe for over thirty years now. (After agreements reached between Ronald Reagan and Mikhal Gorbachev, these were progressively removed during the late 1980s and early 1990s. This process was completed before the collapse of the Soviet Union.)

    Despite the misinformation being circulated by Russian propaganda, “NATO” does not automatically spell “missiles” in Ukraine (anymore than “Russia” does not automatically spell “missiles” in Cuba).

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    The United States has already broken its assurance it would not to expand NATO east of Germany. Why should Russia trust it wouldn’t break agreements about nuclear deployment as well?

    The United States has nuclear weapons in airfields in Germany and Italy that are many times more powerful than the weapons used on Japan and that can be deployed quickly.

    https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/nuclear-weapons-europe-mapping-us-and-russian-deployments

    If the US has no intention of using Ukraine as a military base as it already does with dozens of other countries then why not simply humour the Russians by conceding that Ukraine should remain neutral? Given US militarism around the globe, and penchant for illegal invasions and “regime changes”, is distrust of their intentions not justified?

  • Rivergang
    Rivergang

    But there never was an assurance given that NATO would not be expanded into Eastern Europe. This is yet another piece of misinformation - courtesy of Russian propaganda.

    In his memoirs, Mikhail Gorbachev was clear about that. The only agreement reached was that, with the reunification of the two Germanys, no non-German NATO forces would be stationed in the territories of the former German Democratic Republic. According to him, the subject of Eastern Europe "was not even discussed".

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    If that is so (can you give a reference or quote?) perhaps the reason it was “not even discussed” was because it seemed out of the question. If even the unification of Germany within NATO was such a sticking point, then it stands to reason. Yet there is extensive documentation that it was discussed and assurances were made. Jeffrey Sachs claims he was there when the assurances were given that NATO would not expand eastwards. Why would he not tell the truth about that? He is not alone among American policymakers who reckoned it was a bad idea to renege on the commitment not to expand NATO eastwards.

    https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/ptgsxtcrx525gxk8a5rlnerc5sr4yz

    Extensive documentation here:

    https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

  • Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Las Malvinas son Argentinas

    I would like to hear more Ukrainian voices - both pro-Kiev and pro-Moscow. This is what has been skipped in the press.

    This isn’t about who is wrong or who is right anymore. All I think about are the hundreds of thousands of deaths on both sides for a war that by all indications is going to end in a stalemate. Ukraine’s 2023 counter-offensive gained them 14 villages with staggering losses on both sides. And some of these have been re-taken by Russia’s current offensive.

    Both are losing an entire generation over lines on a map. Putin has nukes and thus possesses options not available to the Ukrainians. The West wouldn’t dare order a nuclear strike on Russia.

    So this is all pointless. Get to a negotiation table now. End this madness.

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