We Pass the Bread and the Wine Just like in the Bible! But, why is forbidden to eat?

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  • Diogenesister
    Irishdub what scriptural proof do you have for this opinion

    It's just the fact when they partook they hadn't been anointed with holy spirit yet. *That* didn't happen until Pentecost.

  • waton
    scriptural proof do you have for this opinion.

    comment: Wt teaches, when you examine it, that the partaking of the bread and wine confers the right to everlasting life, a restoration of the adamic condition;- a bringing of the Christian up to a symbolic level of Christ. He, as the second Adam, sacrificed his right to life on Earth, and the anointed are expected to follow.

    By that logic, that wt writers expressed in at least iwo publications though, all jws should partake, and then let The Judge, or the "sealing angels" determine who would be entitled to follow, that sacrificial path. to "the axe" if necessary

    "Eat and drink all of you."

  • Steel

    I though the whole taking part in the emblems was about making a public declaration that you were a Christian, thus you were part of the new covenant.

    Silly me.

  • Crazyguy

    In the stories of the Bible the all Christians were apart of the body of Christ , the only anointed one. They were all to partake and the writings of Paul state they all had a heavenly hope. Rutherford started the whole earth heaven distinction to the JWs could have a laity class. Today Catholics eat the bread but only the priest eat and then drink the wine. Their special part of the original laity class.

    This laity class were special idea goes back to the Levite's in the Bible and before them the priests of Egypt. In almost all ancient religions in and around the Levant the priest and kings were considered special by the gods and save by the gods. The lowly pesents had to rely on the priests for salvation and Revere the king as god son.

  • David_Jay

    Despite the fact that the Levites were a priestly class, the Passover meal is partaken by all in the Jewish household. There are years when we have non-Jewish guests at our Passover Seder, and they freely eat along with us, even participate by performing some of the rituals that occur during the meal. No one is excluded. So it is very peculiar the way the Jehovah's Witnesses have done things with their Memorial observance.

    What many people do not realize is that the Passover has pagan roots, likely from the family of Abraham before he was called by God to the Promised Land, even before Abram knew of God. We Jews, however, do understand this, and we view the Biblical narrative in Exodus as reflective not merely of the past days when we were slaves in Egypt, but through the lens of our time in Babylonian exile. The Exodus account is where "allegory constitutes a form of historiography" in which the Jews in Babylon reflected on their traditional history of once being slaves in Egypt and retold it using themes based on being separated from their home in the Diaspora, hoping to be reunited to their Promised Land again.

    As The New Union Haggadah states: (the book Jews follow on Passover night to direct them though the Seder is called a "haggadah" for those who are unfamiliar):

    What is described in the Passover story should be considered a veiled depiction of Jews displaced to Babylonia and eventually through the Levant after the conquest of Jerusalem in 586 BCE....They had to invent a new paradigm of peoplehood and leadership...In exile, Moses encounters God not in a sacred Temple or an otherwise renowned holy site, but in a lowly bush. The experience transforms him, as will the story transform every Jew's sense of the possibility of a divine encounter in the Diaspora [Babylonian Exile]....In fashioning their allegorical narrative, the authors of the Book of Exodus mythologized an array of rituals that were likely part of ancient Near Eastern society for centuries."

    --The New Union Haggadah, "The Biblical Exodus," Rabbi David H. Aaron, PhD., Hebrew Union College--Jewish Institute of Religion, Cincinnati, Ohio; Italics added.

    It is accurate to say that the memories of any connection to a historical exodus from Egypt among the Hebrews connects its dating to this spring festival. So the elements of it were only changed to give it the added significance it grew to have not just from leaving Egypt but longing to go home while in Babylon. Especially in the Diaspora this played an important part in helping to preserving our Jewish culture while living without king, without a temple, and outside our own nation.

    But the way this also applies is that whether it was the original Near Eastern spring festival or the Passover that was adapted from such, it was a celebration of a culture, among all its members. As the above haggadah mentioned, actively participating as a partaker in the Passover meal is meant to "transform every Jew's sense of the possibility of a divine encounter" wherever they may be. No participation, no "divine encounter."

    Thus the Jehovah's Witness way of observing the Memorial cuts off a majority from that underlying "divine encounter" designed into the original Passover meal (and likely into Jesus of Nazareth's own reason for employing its emblems the way he did). When you tell others they are not to partake, it's really a way of saying, "You don't deserve to encounter the divine" or worse, "You are incapable of it and not even chosen for this divine encounter."

    It has been transformed from a festival of inclusiveness that unites and preserves a society to a ritual of exclusion, reminding people of what they are not, not of what they are as the Passover does.

  • millie210

    I had never thought of how all other religions include and only JWs exclude until reading this thread.

    If the JWs feel (and teach) that their is a separate celebration that was instituted by Jesus at that last Passover of his, what is their proof?

    Is it the way the scripture reads?

  • waton
    it's really a way of saying, "You don't deserve to encounter the divine" or worse, "You are incapable of it and not even chosen for this divine encounter."

    because of demeaning and errant doctrines like that, wt will remain a "passing" religion, in more ways than one.

  • lusitano o tuga
    lusitano o tuga
    Pero, este año muchos más comerán!
  • waton

    next week's partakers will be different from the crowd Jesus served,

    1) 2017's will be "anointed", 0033's was not,

    2) the crop of 2017 will not only be anointed, but also overlappers.

    3) The first partakers believed they could survive the End (of Jerusalem), ---the present partakers are told by wt, (contradicting Jesus) that anointed overlappers will definitely die before the end.

    come to think of it, they have been overlapping since 0070 CE.

    PS: ask your local partaker what it feels like to be an overlapping anointed partaker?

  • lusitano o tuga
    lusitano o tuga

    and the muslims are attacking russia and syria.....muslims are really dangerous to russia!

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